Well stated Alicia. Phil Uruburu Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 21, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Alicia Plotkin <t...@zoom-dsl.com> wrote: > > I agree completely with Mr. Voisine. I don't know anyone who has > participated in one of these shooting contests, but where I live lots of > people hunt, and while they generally eat the venison or duck or turkey they > kill, they can perfectly well afford to go to the supermarket for their meat, > they don't need to hunt to eat. It's a sport, and they definitely prefer > getting a 10 or 12 point buck to a 4 point one for the bragging rights. But > this doesn't make them ignorant, crass, or otherwise violent people - they > love the outdoors and they pay attention to the birds and animals around > them, they just enjoy hunting and I don't think anyone should feel morally > superior to them unless they are a vegetarian. Moreover, I would match their > knowledge of NYS wildlife with that of most people on this list. They don't > know the Latin names, but they can point out the Scarlet Tanager nest and > notice when the cuckoos are back since they are out hunting turkeys then. > And please note they are not even necessarily members of the NRA or against > banning assault rifles. > > I know this email has gone very far afield from bird talk, but if people > understand hunters better, then this lobbying will be more likely to succeed. > Many, probably most, hunters would not lift a finger in support this crow > shoot - they probably won't be willing to speak out against it, but neither > would they actively support it - unless the discussion surrounding the > lobbying makes them feel like hunting and hunters more generally are being > disrespected. So it would be helpful to understand that most hunters are in > fact people you would enjoy meeting and talking with - and definitely taking > a walk in the woods with - and your only dispute is with the few people who > want to have these competitive body count events. You shouldn't think of > those people as hunters any more than you would think of the extremely > competitive people who think nothing of crossing onto private property to > twitch a rare bird as birders: technically you would be right in each case, > but that label would be pretty misleading. > > Alicia > > >> On 3/21/2014 11:38 AM, Voisine, Matthew NAN02 wrote: >> I think this subject is getting out of control but my experience is hunters >> know EXACTLY what the species is that they are hunting. The conversation is >> beginning to criticize hunters unduly. >> >> Whether they know about something that they are not hunting is another story >> and not really relevant >> >> Matthew Voisine >> Biologist >> USACE- NY District >> 26 Federal Plaza >> Room 2151 >> NY, NY 10278 >> 917.790.8718 voice >> 702.271.0496 mobile >> 212.264.0961 fax >> matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Glenn Wilson [mailto:wil...@stny.rr.com] >> Sent: Friday, 21 March, 2014 11:32 >> To: <redk...@optonline.net> >> Cc: Larry Federman; Voisine, Matthew NAN02; Will Raup; Stella Miller; >> NYSBIRDS-L >> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED) >> >> I'm curious how many hunters actually know the difference between a crow >> (fish of American) and starling, red-winged BB, Rusty BB, and Grackles. I'd >> be surprised if even 25% of the hunters even try yo differentiate these >> "black" birds. >> >> >> Glenn Wilson >> Endicott, NY >> www.WilsonsWarbler.com >> >> On Mar 21, 2014, at 11:09 AM, <redk...@optonline.net> wrote: >> >> >> Hi everyone: >> >> While the state legislation proposed to stop these kind of shooting events >> is important, laudable and should be strongly supported by the NY >> conservation community, it if was to be signed into law by Governor Cuomoto >> tomorrow, individual hunters could still go out each and every day for seven >> months (Sept 1-March 31 as the chart detaling the NYSDEC regs. provided by >> Lynne Hertzog illustrates) and shoot as many crows as they desire. >> >> Thus, if we want to provide crows with complete protection we need to have >> state legislation introduced to have American and Fish Crows classified as >> songbirds and to close the hunting season for them or some other alternate >> approach...... >> >> John Turner >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Larry Federman >> Date: Friday, March 21, 2014 9:49 am >> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED) >> To: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02" , Will Raup , Stella Miller , NYSBIRDS-L >> Cc: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02" >> >>> Thanks, Matthew, >>> It's moot at this point since the Press Release was changed, but >>> the shoot >>> is just outside the NYC watershed. >>> >>> Larry Federman >>> President, Northern Catskills Audubon >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Voisine, Matthew NAN02 >>> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:18 PM >>> To: Will Raup ; Stella Miller ; NYSBIRDS-L >>> Cc: Voisine, Matthew NAN02 >>> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED) >>> >>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED >>> Caveats: NONE >>> >>> I picked up on that also but wasn't going to say anything. >>> However it is a >>> huge "typo". >>> >>> However, if the hunt is happening on lands that are owned by >>> NYC, i.e. the >>> reservoirs? The statement is appropriate. >>> >>> >>> Matthew Voisine >>> Biologist >>> USACE- NY District >>> 26 Federal Plaza >>> Room 2151 >>> NY, NY 10278 >>> 917.790.8718 voice >>> 702.271.0496 mobile >>> 212.264.0961 fax >>> matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu >>> [mailto:bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of >>> Will Raup >>> Sent: Thursday, 20 March, 2014 14:11 >>> To: Stella Miller; NYSBIRDS-L >>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release >>> >>> Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC", >>> means it will >>> be ignored. It should be edited immediately to say New York >>> State DEC, >>> otherwise this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will >>> just view >>> this as another "City" politician who has no idea what is going >>> on north of >>> New York City. >>> >>> The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after >>> that >>> particular sentence. And you can bet the opposition will use >>> that to their >>> advantage. >>> >>> Will Raup >>> Albany, NY >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700 >>> From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com >>> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release >>> To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu >>> >>> >>> Attached is the press release regarding the legislation. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> Stella >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything >>> cold, as holding >>> whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to >>> science to spread >>> the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or >>> people, it >>> is between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." 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