makanya Mbah, dulu Mahattir punya ide agar ASEAN utk ekspor-impornya
pakai mata uang lokal aja, ga pakai dollar...mungkin krn dia doktor
jadi tahu 
Iran juga usul agar transaksi jual beli minyak ga pakai dollar...tp
arab saudi ga mau :((

selain MONAS, Senayan juga belum di hitung Mbah hehehe...
kayanya Mbah cocok juga jd penasehat Gubernur BI...:D



--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant"
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>
> Islandia bangkrut karena devisanya nol atau engga punya dollar
> buat bayar import. Kalo devisa BI yg sekitar 50 miliar dollar
> habis maka kita tidak bisa bayar utang luar negri karena kita
> engga bisa bayar pake rupiah.
> 
> Jadi bangkrut disini adalah bangkrut dari segi valuta asing.
> Tapi Amerika punya utang luar negri yang begitu gede ENGGA AKAN
> pernah bangkrut karena dollar adalah mata uang negara Amerika,
> tinggal nyetak doang...
> 
> Jadi untuk bayar utang, suatu negara harus mengexport barang,
> menarik invetasi atau bikin pinjaman valas yg baru.
> 
> Coba kita bayangin devisa BI yg 50 miliar dollar itu senilai
> ama apa ?.
> - Kita ambil harga tanah dipusat kota = 10j/m2.
> - 50 miliar dollar ini dapet berapa m2 ?
> - 50 miliar x kurs 10.000/ 10 juta = 500.000 m2 =
>   atau tanah yg luasnya = 700m x 700m = 0,7km x 0,7km, tanah ini
>   masih lebih kecil dari luas MONAS..
> 
> Jadi devisa BI masih JAUH lebih kecil dari harga tanah Monas,
> karena tanah MONAS bisa laku 50j/m2. Jadi kalo Monas dijual ama
> asing kita bakal dapet devisa mungkin 200 miliar dollar. (ini
> cuman buat ilustrasi doang yah, jangan diprotes)
> 
> Jadi kalo devisa BI habis, kita dinyatain bangkrut padahal
> tanah RI itu ada dari Sabang ampe Meroke, itu tanahnya doang
> belum isinya. Tapi gara gara bayar import dan utang harus pake
> USD, maka tiap negara diseluruh dunia harus berusaha mendapatkan
> USD.
> 
> Dunia memang maenan orang Amerika, udah kebawa sengsara akibat
> ulah orang Amerika yg bikin krisis, masih mau nurut lagi ngumpulin
> dollar... hehehe...
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> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Chase
> <chase.vincent@> wrote:
> >
> > feeling sy bakal lama neh
> > kemaren bangun tidur denger berita dr cnn,
> >
> > ada berita kalo iceland bakrupt. dulu mulainya dr asian financial
> krisis, ini jgn sampe mo dimulai european financial crisis
> >
> > Iceland goes bankrupt Posted by: Michael Mandel on October
> 10        That's an amazing sentence: Iceland goes bankrupt. But
> that's exactly what happened yesterday (see BW piece here. See NY
> Times piece here). That's a clear sign that the global financial
> crisis is entering a new and vastly more dangerous phase, where we
> are paying the price of the lack of a global financial regulator and
> global central bank.
> >   What `bankrupt' means is just that: The country cannot pay back
> its external debts, and the Icelandic currency, the krona, has become
> essentially valueless in the rest of the world. That means the
> country can no longer pay for imports.
> >   The Icelandic problems have nothing to do directly with American
> real estate. As Kerry Capell of BW writes:
> >
> >
> >  With the privatization of the banking sector, completed in 2000,
> Iceland's banks used substantial wholesale funding to finance their
> entry into the local mortgage market and acquire foreign financial
> firms, mainly in Britain and Scandinavia…In just five years, the
> banks went from being almost entirely domestic lenders to becoming
> major international financial intermediaries. In 2000, says Richard
> Portes, a professor of economics at London Business School, two-
> thirds of their financing came from domestic sources and one-third
> from abroad. More recently—until the crisis hit—that ratio was
> reversed. But as wholesale funding markets seized up, Iceland's banks
> started to collapse under a mountain of foreign debt.   What's worse,
> with Iceland sitting outside the major currency trading blocs, there
> may be no one with the incentive or ability to save it. The country
> is looking for loans from the IMF and from Russia. But the United
> Kingdom is actually threatening to sue Iceland to
> >  get back money.
> >   Where does the crisis go next? Most exposed are countries with
> large amounts of external debt relative to the size of their economy.
> A quick calculation suggests that by this measure, the U.S. is
> relatively well off, with external debt about equal to GDP. Japan's
> external debt is about 40-50% of GDP, as is Canada's (these numbers
> may change as I refine my calculations). Italy is at about 100%, and
> Germany and France are in the 140-150% range.
> >   From this perspective, the U.S.—with its external debt mostly in
> dollars—looks like a bastion of stability. The euro zone has some
> weaknesses—Belgium and the Netherlands have uncomfortably high debt
> levels, and Ireland is extremely high. But there is a political
> framework in place which should allow political leaders to take
> effective action if they want.
> >   The biggest dangers are for the UK and Switzerland. These
> countries, although much bigger than Iceland, are major financial
> intermediaries with big external debts. What's more, they are outside
> the major currency blocs, with debt denominated in foreign
> currencies. That means if their currency starts to devalue, their
> debts will become more and more onerous.
> >   And now we are in very tricky waters, which are looking
> uncomfortably like the Great Depression. The major players are the
> U.S., the Eurozone, Japan, and China. The question is: Will they act
> collectively, or will they engage beggar-thy neighbor policies?
> >   More later on this.?
> >
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