On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 11:57 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:41 AM, David McKay <dmc...@btconnect.com> wrote: > > > > On 06/09/2011 15:56, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > >> > >> Christian, > >> > >> What I find awkward around all of these discussions is that there are > >> already several Apache OOo PPMC members who were and are already > >> administrators and moderators on the OpenOffice.org forums, and not one of > >> them stood up here, on ooo-dev, and said so. > >> > >> It boggles my mind how much withholding is going on. > >> > >> - Dennis > > > > Not strictly true. I've said several times that I was a moderator on the > > forums. This is getting to too much like the emperor's new clothes. > > > > Does it have to be more complicated than this: agree the high-level points > > and them work out the detail. As far as i can see the main points are as > > follows. > > > > 1) The forums bring great value to the Ooo community and project alike. The > > more help the end users get the better. The more bugs that are brought to > > our attention and find their way into bugzilla the better. It is already one > > well-founded and respected face of OOo to the outside world. > > > > 2) The forums need a new home. > > > > 3) For that home to be under the Apache umbrella, as a minimum, it requires > > some tweaking of the forum management/administration, or at least, a > > permanent visible record of the management/administration actions. > > > > 4) Collaboratively, we ought to be able to get this done. > > > > All nice statements. But we had nice statements before. It is time > to back up nice statements with a true common understanding, including > a written proposal from this autonomous forum volunteers on how they > wish to operate within the AOOo project, a proposal that the entire > PPMC can review and disucss and hopefully approve.
Yes that will come later today - (at least I'll try to get it that quickly if I can) //drew > > This level of formality, having an actual proposal, will raising the > level of discourse from from bitter arguments on the list to saying > actually what you plan to do. It also makes the understanding > concrete and memorializes it so both the forum volunteers and the PPMC > can refer to it in the future when memories fade. > > Remember, we don't create a new mailing list in this project without > someone actually submitting a proposal and having a discussion. We > should not be migrating years of content, bring on board 75 new > project volunteers with a very different operating style, with many > connections to the rest of the AOOo and Apache Infra, without having > that same level of diligence. > > In any area that has been rife with misunderstandings, this is not the > place to rush. We should tone down the discussions and hash out the > details with greater civility. But let's take our time and ensure > that we're all on common ground when this is over. > > > > Dave. > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Christian Grobmeier [mailto:grobme...@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 02:58 > >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into > >> the Apache OpenOffice.org project > >> > >>> We are a group of users who believes in OOo. > >>> We like to help other users through forums (some like ML, we prefer > >>> forum, > >>> that's life). > >> > >> This all and then tons of work you already have done (up to 18.000 > >> posts!!) should make you eligible as an ASF committer. > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> [ ... ] > >> > >> > > >
