On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton > >> <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> wrote: > >> > +1 > >> > > >> > I agree. It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding this > structure > >> in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the best way > forward. > >> > > >> > >> +1 > >> > >> Right now we have no guarantees that these distributors are actually > >> distributing current versions of OpenOffice, older versions with > >> security issues, or even modified versions of OpenOffice with adware > >> inserted. We see things like this happening all over the web today. > >> So I'd be very careful on how we associate the project with > >> initiatives like this. It is one thing if a PMC member or someone > >> known to us wants to distribute CD's at a conference. It is another > >> thing for us to put up free advertising for unknown parties to sell > >> what may or may not be real copies of OpenOffice. > >> > >> What we could do to protect our users is something like this: > >> > >> -- Define a new logo, perhaps based on the project logo, for CD > >> distributors > >> > >> -- Put the logo up on a webpage page and allow anyone to use the logo, > >> but only if it is used on a CD containing a release of OpenOffice and > >> nothing but OpenOffice. > >> > > > > Well there is a rather prominent disclaimer on the page -- > > > > *Note: OpenOffice.org makes no claims about the contents of any CD-ROM > you > > may purchase from a distributor listed here. We list these only as a > > courtesy to the community. Should you find old or invalid links, please > > report them to the page maintainer: Alex Fisher <cd...@openoffice.org> > > > > Yes. But at that point I'm not sure we're really helping our users. > If they want to pay money to get a CD of uncertain quality and > contents, a simple search of Google will give them plenty of > opportunities to take that risk, without this project getting > involved. Maybe this wasn't the case 12 years ago. > > Of course, if we can find a way to do the user a real service and have > a way of ensuring they are getting a genuine copy of OpenOffice, then > let's do it. > > Otherwise, imagine the parallel: > > > 1) We set up a page for 3rd parties to request that we add a link for > downloading OpenOffice > > 2) We don't verify that they actually offer genuine AOO. > > 3) We allow them to use the official project logo > > 4) We don't even check to see if they are allowing free downloads > > 5) So we end up with a page full of links to eBay ads and the various > scams that are already out there pretending to be OpenOffice download > sites > > You can see what a mess that would be if we allowed this for 3rd party > download sites, if we just added links on request. A disclaimer would > not really help the users. > > Of course, we would never do something like that with download links. > But I'm not sure that just changing the media to CD-Rom magically > makes it better. It is still a swamp. >
yes...so, a solution? ditch the page entirely? We can certainly do that... > > > > We should probably make a minor change on this for now and replace > > OpenOffice.org with Apache OpenOffice , remove Alex, and point them to > > ooo-dev? As I'm making final adjustments to things I am finding many such > > items. > > * > > > >> > >> > This will disadvantage some NL groups who have been maintaining the > >> information for their region, though. So it needs to be a brief > disruption. > >> > > >> > Andrea Pescetti has done some work on the page today. I suggest > >> consulting with him on a clean way forward. > >> > > >> > - Dennis > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: drew jensen [mailto:drewjensen.in...@gmail.com] > >> > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:48 > >> > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > >> > Subject: Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? > >> http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/ > >> > > >> > [ ... ] > >> > > >> > There are quite a few junk links on that page, for sure. > >> > At the moment no-one is actively working on a CD image. > >> > We don't have a 'community distributor' program, really - right - I > >> > think it was a good idea and still is, but this group has to carve > out a > >> > little time to figure it out anew. > >> > > >> > so - given the change in project, I really do think the best way > >> > forward is to just wipe that page clean, first - and then look at what > >> > should go in it's pace. > >> > > >> > My opinion on that anyway, and to re-emphasize - I think we want > >> > distributors and an information page such as this and I'll work with > >> > others to get it back, but I really think by Tuesday the links should > be > >> > e gone. > >> > > >> > //drew > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > MzK > > > > "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you > > And life has a funny way of helping you out > > Helping you out." > > -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MzK "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you And life has a funny way of helping you out Helping you out." -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette