> On Jun 30, 2015, at 7:21 AM, Mike Hearn <m...@plan99.net> wrote: > > ... > With respect to things like "support WebRTC" or "support WebGL" - > seriously? WebRTC is useful for exactly one kind of app, video chat. It > seems to have been driven primarily so Google could make a Skype competitor > inside Gmail without having to make a downloadable plugin. There are > already many competing video call apps that work fine.
Video streaming, conferencing, etc. are important technologies. But if you are going with a Java UI, there isn’t much point in handcuffing yourself to a Web UI that will have a far worse user experience. > > As for WebGL, you can already do OpenGL from within Java just fine. Not “just fine" in a JavaFX app though. With no access to native window handles or an OpenGL surface it’s not so simple. You have to fall back to AWT/Swing or go native and then you’ve got issues with the OpenGL parts not being well integrated into the rest of the UI. My commercial application has to create a separate AWT window to implement a video preview to avoid performance issues. With the AWT window I can get the native window handle and blit directly to the window without extra copies of uncompressed HD video frames. > Being > able to do arbitrary GL within an FX scene graph would be nice for some > apps, but of course, on Windows you'd really need to be using Direct3D or > some kind of performance-hurting translation layer as WebGL itself uses. Exactly. Access to a native drawing surface has been discussed for a long time. It would be nice to see some progress made with JavaFX 9. > If I had a single wish it'd be for better rich text support, like a rich > text editor component (maybe based on Tomas Mikula's work). That would be a great area for improvement. I personally would like to see my request for extensible media support (from 2008) to get some attention https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8091063 It should be possible (and reasonable) to write a non-linear editor like Final Cut Pro in Java (and some JNI) with a JavaFX UI. :-) Scott > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Jack Moxley <j...@moxley.co.uk> wrote: > >> Maybe it should its aspirations a little higher, especially with the >> advent of unity, webgl or even scenegraph impls such as jmonkeyengine that >> do. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 30 Jun 2015, at 09:42, Felix Bembrick <felix.bembr...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> <cough>JavaFX has *never* claimed to be write once, run anyway</cough> >>> >>> >>>> On 30 Jun 2015, at 18:13, Mike <mikeg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> <cough>write once, run anywhere</cough> >>>> >>>> This about sums it up! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:12 AM, Jack Moxley <j...@moxley.co.uk> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> <cough>write once, run anywhere</cough> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2015, at 21:45, Michał Zegan <webczat_...@poczta.onet.pl> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>>> >>>>>> Does it mean platform support for linux won't be implemented now, or >>>>>> at all? >>>>>> I usually use windows, but still depend on that support because I >>>>>> sometimes use linux, so I am interested about that. >>>>>> >>>>>> W dniu 2015-06-29 o 22:40, Kevin Rushforth pisze: >>>>>>> There is public API in 8u40 to support accessibility. Applications >>>>>>> using standard JavaFX controls can, for example, use the >>>>>>> accessibleText property to define the text that the screen reader >>>>>>> will speak or the accessibleHelp property to provide a more >>>>>>> detailed description. These properties have reasonable defaults, >>>>>>> but can be overridden by applications. Additionally, if you use the >>>>>>> "labelFor" property to point to a Control that the Label is >>>>>>> associated with, the accessibility framework will use that when the >>>>>>> screen reader is active. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Custom controls can override the queryAccessibleAttribute, >>>>>>> executeAccessibleAction, and notifyAccessibleAttributeChanged >>>>>>> methods. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for platform support, we currently support Windows and Mac >>>>>>> platforms. We have no plan to make FX accessible on Linux . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Kevin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michał Zegan wrote: I saw it, and it seems promising, but: first, >>>>>>> there is probably, or I heard it wrong? no public api for making >>>>>>> accessibility related stuff... Also, I believe there is no linux >>>>>>> accessibility bridge as opposed to windows and mac. And I do not >>>>>>> know if I am wrong, or when this is going to be implemented. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> W dniu 2015-06-29 o 20:30, Kevin Rushforth pisze: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JavaFX accessibility is already implemented and was delivered >>>>>>>>>> in JDK 8u40. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- Kevin >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Michał Zegan wrote: What about accessibility work? Work on it >>>>>>>>>> has been started, but not sure if it is still targetted for >>>>>>>>>> 9. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> W dniu 2015-06-27 o 20:16, Mike pisze: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of FULL blown Webrtc support and building >>>>>>>>>>>>> something in Javafx (like Scene Builder) that Proves >>>>>>>>>>>>> Webrtc support would be awesome. Ditto to Webgl >>>>>>>>>>>>> support. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Kevin Rushforth >>>>>>>>>>>>> <kevin.rushfo...@oracle.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Felix, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for the delay. Most of us were still pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>> focused on 8u60, but we are turning our attention to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JDK 9 now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The focus for JDK 9 is Jigsaw. The currently planned >>>>>>>>>>>>>> big features (JEPs) for FX in JDK 9 are these: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JEP 253: Prepare JavaFX UI Controls & CSS APIs for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Modularization JEP 257: Update JavaFX/Media to Newer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Version of GStreamer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Related to Jigasw, we intend to look into new API for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavily used internal methods / classes since they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will no longer be accessible otherwise. We also plan >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to update WebKit at least one more time, and will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely do a few RFEs such as better Hi-DPI support >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with API control) on Mac, Windows, Linux. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't currently plan any other big features for 9, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but will consider additional RFEs if they are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> important to enough developers and if they fit into >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time frame. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Kevin >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Felix Bembrick wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone got anything or is there a link somewhere >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that talks about these? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 June 2015 at 22:00, Felix Bembrick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <felix.bembr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I realise we are a long way off JDK 9 still and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with crucial features such as Jigsaw still a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little up in the air but is it possible someone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could itemise the most likely new features, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enhancements and bug fixes that we will see in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JavaFX when JDK 9 is released? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course it's purely speculation at this point >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but it would assist me greatly to have some of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idea of where JavaFX is heading and which areas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are seen as most important. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Felix >>
