I agree with Diva it would be good if on Save_oar we could specify owner-id and
then the saved file would only contain prims owned by that user. However it
needs to be part of a bigger change I think in trems of loading oar being less
all or nothing too.
One of the problems with LOAD_OAR at present is the way it replaces everything
in a sim. It would be good if there were an option to replace or add to whats
in a sim already with whats on the file being loaded. Maybe the replace/add
options could be filtered to replace only parts of the build (eg. replace Nicks
prims with the new oar of Nicks prims leaving Toms prims where they are).
The use case I am thinking of is where a sim (a city) is built by the sim owner
(Nick) in a standalone grid and loaded via OAR files to a public grid. Then in
that public grid other people (Tom) adds furnishings to the sim in the public
grid. In the meantime the sim owner (Tom) makes a mark 2 version of the sim in
his standalone which he wants to use to upgrade the one in the public grid. If
he does load-oar he loses all the work done by others (Tom) in the public grid
version. What he wants to do is merge his work with others. So we need someway
to save each contribution and merge them.
I leave it to others wiser than me to devise a syntax for this.
> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:51:55 -0800
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?
>
> There are several kinds of filters one could add to the general
> archiving facility. Parcels... why not. Another one -- more important to
> me -- is owner id.
>
> Stefan Andersson wrote:
> > There is of course always the option to implement a region module that can
> > implement some fairly more detailed use case, maybe connecting to stuff like
> > scheduled jobs et c.
> >
> > /Stefan
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [email protected] [mailto:opensim-users-
> >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Klein
> >> Sent: den 21 november 2009 15:24
> >> To: [email protected]
> >> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?
> >>
> >>
> >> I see your points and was only suggesting we have some refined way of
> >> backing
> >> up regions instead of either all or nothing. Even a basic program for
> >> backing up data on a computer allows you to backup either the whole
> >> disk,
> >> individual directories, and individual files (tar vs dd for example).
> >> We
> >> have methods for backing up the whole drive and individual files but
> >> not
> >> directories. It just seems unbalanced.
> >>
> >> I have seen some pretty intense builds in SL and OS on relatively small
> >> parcels that would be a huge issue to recreate. The IAR files are great
> >> but
> >> are not a reasonable method for backing up and restoring a 64 x 128
> >> parcel
> >> with several buildings full of content including a museum and
> >> stage/events
> >> area or a nightclub. Experience tells me we are going to need this if
> >> we
> >> continue to support the concept of having parcels.
> >>
> >> -Robert
> >>
> >>
> >> Stefan Andersson-3 wrote:
> >>> One way to go about it could be to make sure the oar is subdivided
> >> into
> >>> parcels when storing it; if so, one would probably backup the whole
> >> oar,
> >>> but
> >>> be able to restore only parts of the oar.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have only used oars for full backup, so I don't know if the parcel
> >> info
> >>> is
> >>> already stored in it?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> /Stefan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: [email protected]
> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Len
> >> Brown
> >>> Sent: den 21 november 2009 09:20
> >>> To: [email protected]
> >>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I am tempted to say that individual parcel backups is not a good
> >> idea. If
> >>> one is building on a parcel, as opposed to a full region, then simply
> >>> maintaining copies of their items in their inventory should be
> >> adequate.
> >>> Parcels come in so many sizes and making a backup would require the
> >> new
> >>> parcel for a restore would have to be identical in dimensions. So
> >> this
> >>> can
> >>> be very complex if you have a parcel that, for example, lies along a
> >> road
> >>> so
> >>> the side of your parcel is angular. Or if you have an odd-shaped
> >> parcel
> >>> or
> >>> a combination of parcels that are separated by other parcels you do
> >> not
> >>> own.
> >>>
> >>> Backing up a region is simple enough given the standard dimensions,
> >> even
> >>> when dealing with megaregions, which are really just a combination of
> >>> multiple "regular" regions of standard size.
> >>>
> >>> So I feel that backing up personal parcels should remain the process
> >> of
> >>> maintaining items in your personal inventory and making a backup of
> >> THAT
> >>> rather than the parcel area itself.
> >>>
> >>> - Len W. Brown
> >>> [email protected]
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Karen Palen <[email protected]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Just a thought, but with the economics of OpenSim being totally
> >> different
> >>> from Second Life, I wonder if we will end up with hundreds of tiny
> >> parcels
> >>> in each region?
> >>>
> >>> It seems to me that there are several issues here concerning changes
> >> in
> >>> parcel size/location between backup and restore as well as some
> >>> ownership/covenant/zoning issues.
> >>>
> >>> As I think about the problem I am not sure I (or anyone else) can
> >> fully
> >>> articulate even the nature of those issues since they depend heavily
> >> on
> >>> the
> >>> direction that OpenSim development and implementation takes.
> >>>
> >>> Just the same we do need to consider them as best we can lest we fall
> >> into
> >>> some of the same traps as Second Life (content ownership, banking
> >> debacle,
> >>> and gambling come to mind).
> >>>
> >>> Karen
> >>>
> >>> --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Robert Klein <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> From: Robert Klein <[email protected]>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?
> >>>> To: [email protected]
> >>>> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 6:09 PM
> >>>>
> >>>> Hey Justin,
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes that is correct, just archive a single parcel on a
> >>>> region. Whatever is
> >>>> in the parcel gets put into the PAR file. Can it be done?
> >>>>
> >>>> -Robert
> >>>>
> >>>> justincc wrote:
> >>>>> Robert Klein wrote:
> >>>>>> We have a OAR for regions and a IAR for inventory
> >>>> but what about a PAR
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>>> doing parcel area archiving? It would be an easy
> >>>> way to dedicate one
> >>>>>> subdivided parcel area for bringing things in and
> >>>> out of OpenSims that
> >>>>>> either use the mega region or just have a single
> >>>> region that is
> >>>>>> subdivided.
> >>>>>> Also the beauty of this would be in the future if
> >>>> you have renters or
> >>>>>> event
> >>>>>> spaces you can keep backups of just those spaces.
> >>>>> I'm not too sure if I get exactly what you mean.
> >>>> Are you talking about
> >>>>> archiving just the contents of a single parcel on a
> >>>> region?
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> justincc
> >>>>> Justin Clark-Casey
> >>>>> http://justincc.org
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