Yep, that's my use case too. More and more, the apps I'm involved with include people building things in separate development sims, possibly over copies of a base model, and then having a deployment sim where things are merged periodically.
Bob Wellman wrote: > I agree with Diva it would be good if on Save_oar we could specify > owner-id and then the saved file would only contain prims owned by that > user. However it needs to be part of a bigger change I think in trems of > loading oar being less all or nothing too. > > One of the problems with LOAD_OAR at present is the way it replaces > everything in a sim. It would be good if there were an option to replace > or add to whats in a sim already with whats on the file being loaded. > Maybe the replace/add options could be filtered to replace only parts of > the build (eg. replace Nicks prims with the new oar of Nicks prims > leaving Toms prims where they are). > > The use case I am thinking of is where a sim (a city) is built by the > sim owner (Nick) in a standalone grid and loaded via OAR files to a > public grid. Then in that public grid other people (Tom) adds > furnishings to the sim in the public grid. In the meantime the sim owner > (Tom) makes a mark 2 version of the sim in his standalone which he wants > to use to upgrade the one in the public grid. If he does load-oar he > loses all the work done by others (Tom) in the public grid version. What > he wants to do is merge his work with others. So we need someway to save > each contribution and merge them. > > I leave it to others wiser than me to devise a syntax for this. > > > > Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:51:55 -0800 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver? > > > > There are several kinds of filters one could add to the general > > archiving facility. Parcels... why not. Another one -- more important to > > me -- is owner id. > > > > Stefan Andersson wrote: > > > There is of course always the option to implement a region module > that can > > > implement some fairly more detailed use case, maybe connecting to > stuff like > > > scheduled jobs et c. > > > > > > /Stefan > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: [email protected] [mailto:opensim-users- > > >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Klein > > >> Sent: den 21 november 2009 15:24 > > >> To: [email protected] > > >> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver? > > >> > > >> > > >> I see your points and was only suggesting we have some refined way of > > >> backing > > >> up regions instead of either all or nothing. Even a basic program for > > >> backing up data on a computer allows you to backup either the whole > > >> disk, > > >> individual directories, and individual files (tar vs dd for example). > > >> We > > >> have methods for backing up the whole drive and individual files but > > >> not > > >> directories. It just seems unbalanced. > > >> > > >> I have seen some pretty intense builds in SL and OS on relatively > small > > >> parcels that would be a huge issue to recreate. The IAR files are > great > > >> but > > >> are not a reasonable method for backing up and restoring a 64 x 128 > > >> parcel > > >> with several buildings full of content including a museum and > > >> stage/events > > >> area or a nightclub. Experience tells me we are going to need this if > > >> we > > >> continue to support the concept of having parcels. > > >> > > >> -Robert > > >> > > >> > > >> Stefan Andersson-3 wrote: > > >>> One way to go about it could be to make sure the oar is subdivided > > >> into > > >>> parcels when storing it; if so, one would probably backup the whole > > >> oar, > > >>> but > > >>> be able to restore only parts of the oar. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> I have only used oars for full backup, so I don't know if the parcel > > >> info > > >>> is > > >>> already stored in it? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> /Stefan > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> From: [email protected] > > >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Len > > >> Brown > > >>> Sent: den 21 november 2009 09:20 > > >>> To: [email protected] > > >>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> I am tempted to say that individual parcel backups is not a good > > >> idea. If > > >>> one is building on a parcel, as opposed to a full region, then simply > > >>> maintaining copies of their items in their inventory should be > > >> adequate. > > >>> Parcels come in so many sizes and making a backup would require the > > >> new > > >>> parcel for a restore would have to be identical in dimensions. So > > >> this > > >>> can > > >>> be very complex if you have a parcel that, for example, lies along a > > >> road > > >>> so > > >>> the side of your parcel is angular. Or if you have an odd-shaped > > >> parcel > > >>> or > > >>> a combination of parcels that are separated by other parcels you do > > >> not > > >>> own. > > >>> > > >>> Backing up a region is simple enough given the standard dimensions, > > >> even > > >>> when dealing with megaregions, which are really just a combination of > > >>> multiple "regular" regions of standard size. > > >>> > > >>> So I feel that backing up personal parcels should remain the process > > >> of > > >>> maintaining items in your personal inventory and making a backup of > > >> THAT > > >>> rather than the parcel area itself. > > >>> > > >>> - Len W. Brown > > >>> [email protected] > > >>> > > >>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Karen Palen <[email protected]> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Just a thought, but with the economics of OpenSim being totally > > >> different > > >>> from Second Life, I wonder if we will end up with hundreds of tiny > > >> parcels > > >>> in each region? > > >>> > > >>> It seems to me that there are several issues here concerning changes > > >> in > > >>> parcel size/location between backup and restore as well as some > > >>> ownership/covenant/zoning issues. > > >>> > > >>> As I think about the problem I am not sure I (or anyone else) can > > >> fully > > >>> articulate even the nature of those issues since they depend heavily > > >> on > > >>> the > > >>> direction that OpenSim development and implementation takes. > > >>> > > >>> Just the same we do need to consider them as best we can lest we fall > > >> into > > >>> some of the same traps as Second Life (content ownership, banking > > >> debacle, > > >>> and gambling come to mind). > > >>> > > >>> Karen > > >>> > > >>> --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Robert Klein <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> From: Robert Klein <[email protected]> > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver? > > >>>> To: [email protected] > > >>>> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 6:09 PM > > >>>> > > >>>> Hey Justin, > > >>>> > > >>>> Yes that is correct, just archive a single parcel on a > > >>>> region. Whatever is > > >>>> in the parcel gets put into the PAR file. Can it be done? > > >>>> > > >>>> -Robert > > >>>> > > >>>> justincc wrote: > > >>>>> Robert Klein wrote: > > >>>>>> We have a OAR for regions and a IAR for inventory > > >>>> but what about a PAR > > >>>>>> for > > >>>>>> doing parcel area archiving? It would be an easy > > >>>> way to dedicate one > > >>>>>> subdivided parcel area for bringing things in and > > >>>> out of OpenSims that > > >>>>>> either use the mega region or just have a single > > >>>> region that is > > >>>>>> subdivided. > > >>>>>> Also the beauty of this would be in the future if > > >>>> you have renters or > > >>>>>> event > > >>>>>> spaces you can keep backups of just those spaces. > > >>>>> I'm not too sure if I get exactly what you mean. > > >>>> Are you talking about > > >>>>> archiving just the contents of a single parcel on a > > >>>> region? > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> justincc > > >>>>> Justin Clark-Casey > > >>>>> http://justincc.org > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>> Opensim-users mailing list > > >>>>> [email protected] > > >>>>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> View this message in context: > > >>> http://n2.nabble.com/Parcel-Archiver-tp4008165p4040934.html > > >>>> Sent from the opensim-users mailing list archive at > > >>>> Nabble.com. > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> Opensim-users mailing list > > >>>> [email protected] > > >>>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Opensim-users mailing list > > >>> [email protected] > > >>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Opensim-users mailing list > > >>> [email protected] > > >>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users > > >>> > > >>> > > >> -- > > >> View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Parcel-Archiver- > > >> tp4008165p4042739.html > > >> Sent from the opensim-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Opensim-users mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > >> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Opensim-users mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Opensim-users mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > New! 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