Tom Haynes wrote:
Richard Lowe wrote:
Tom Haynes wrote:
Josh Hurst wrote:
You could make it a community phenomenon quite like Linux if you would
allow people to participate without waiting months to see the
submitted patches integrated. It sucks when a five line patch for a
very dumb bug is queued and no one cares. It sucks when projects like
the ksh93 integration need a year, which is 12 months, 367 days or
just a painful long time to integrate. Do you really think this
encourages contributors? "Come and wait a year to see your code
rejected" is the current official slogan of Opensolaris.org
Which kind of contributor treatment is that?
Josh
Why do you have to get your patches integrated?
Why can't people go to your web-site and get your contributions?
...
I can't easily word a response to those questions, but I can only
imagine they come from a complete and utter misunderstanding of this
conversation, and the purposes of the project in general.
The whole point is that people can contribute their changes.
The whole point is that those changes go back into a source tree
shared by all.
-- Rich
If someone makes changes to OpenSolaris and Sun decides not to take
them, does that
invalidate the changes?
Look at the Linux kernel debugger work that wasn't being taken back because
Linus didn't believe in kernel debuggers. People still found those
changes useful.
Right now, OpenSolaris implies Sun. It doesn't have to. You could take
the latest
source code drop and fork it for your development effort. Lets say
someone decides
to use OpenSolaris to control an appliance. They take the fork and are
careful to
not take new changes because it will cause their QA cycle to restart.
They ship
their product and as part of being good open source citizens, they
provide their
source tree on the install CD and on their website.
Perhaps during the development process, they sent patches back to the
community. But because they had no desire to pull a new drop, they didn't
care whether or not the changes got in right away.
Is this an OpenSolaris system or not?
My point is do not get too worked up into whether or not Sun pulls your
changes
back into their gate - that is not what makes your contribution
OpenSolaris or not.
Modulo the work needed to make this practically true (which is in progress)
they are NOT Sun's gates. They are the OpenSolaris gates, and everyone
involved with them should be treated as *equal*.
Yes, it's possible (trivial even!) to maintain your work outside of the
gate, and never integrate it at all, and it would still be valuable work.
But it's impossible to deny that the desire to actually *integrate* that
work, and get it to the widest possible audience is a large factor.
Seeing a response in a thread about making our development process better
that seemed, at its heart, to suggest that a person shouldn't care about
ever integrating ones work was, and is, frankly disheartening.
-- Rich
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