On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 11:30 +0200, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 01:15 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
> > On Tuesday 07 August 2007, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
> > > If/When Linux makes it big-time on the desktop do you think it will also
> > > be bogged down with virus attacks as MS is now.
> > 
> > No. 
> > The reason windows is attacked is because its EASY, not JUST because its
> > popular.  Believing otherwise is swallowing Microsoft FUD hook line and 
> > sinker.
> > 
> > 
> > > Why is it assumed that Linux is less prone to virus attacks?  
> > 
> > Because it is.  With windows, simply sending you a file can infect
> > you.  With linux, sending you a file and having you click on it all
> > day long STILL does not make it executable.
> > 
> > 
> > > I know to 
> > > install stuff in the system, root is necessary, but installing and
> > > running dangerous stuff in the user home directories is easy; you just
> > > need a cunning app to fool the user in executing malicious code.
> > 
> > Social engineering is always a risk, but with Linux you can even prevent
> > against that to a far greater degree than with windows.  Egress filtering
> > does a lot.  But the real protection is that users who are too dumb to 
> > realized WHY they are being asked to set something executable when all they 
> > thought they were doing was getting a eCard from a classmate or a bored girl
> > are also too dumb to figure out how to set it executable.
> > 
> > 
> > > (given, doing this in Win is easier, but not impossible in any flavour
> > > Linux)
> > 
> > I submit that for all practical purposes it is impossible.  Or at the 
> > very least impractical.
> > 
> > Evidence:  We have been fighting windows viruses and worms tooth
> > and nail for Over 10 Years.  Wouldn't you thing that would have
> > been time enough for some clever virus writer to try and take over
> > that very LARGE segment of internet web servers that run on
> > various 'nix machines, and which serve as firewalls to vast 
> > data warehouses?
> 
> > Further advances in SE linux make it even less likely in the future.
> > 
> > Bill would like you to believe its JUST because his OS is popular.
> > 
> 
> Again, Im only talking about Desktop Linux, not servers - web users dont
> have logons, email and web-browsing on arb webservers - so it remains
> dumb user proof.
> 
> But my main concern is that dumb users usually make up most of the
> desktop market out there - and preaching to them that Linux will make
> there virus problem go away is setting them up for a fall.
> 
>  Hans

Sorry, "their" virus problem and for replying to my own mail.

And...  desktop users install all kinds of insane apps - when desktop
linux is popular - more apps will appear - increasing the risk of
installing a malicious one.

Hans



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