> It's very nice to hear such answer. I'm not against velocity, I only little
> confused about some decisions was made for ww2. I truly believe that ww2
> should be able to work even without presentation layer. But to provide full
> functionality it has already, it should have an additional presentation
> layer which can be plugged as required. It's always better to provide some
> options instead of forcing some opinion to others. At least we don't know
> what will come for presentation layer after one or two years.
> 

Sorry - I'm totally confused here. XWork is WebWork without the presentation
layer. What is WebWork without a presentation layer?!?

(Nothing! :))
 
> At the present moment ww2 I see as extension to velocity, because it has no
> meaning without it. I don't think it should be that way.

I'm not sure about that - I mean, velocity is just one of the components
used in WW2. Velocity is a text templating engine (also not related to the
Web directly) - how is WW2 an extension of a text templating engine?!

I think you need to explain yourself a little more. Should WW2 also not
depend on servlet.jar (JSPs)?

M

> Again thanks to Fredrik Lindgren for his response. I hope everyone will see
> the benefit if some modifications will be made.
> 
> 
> Best Regards
> Remigijus Bauzys
> 
> 
>> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:22:56 -0600, Jason Carreira
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> WW1 you can use without velocity, WW2 uses velocity for its UI tag
>>> templates. If you don't plan to use the UI tags, you can remove it.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: remigijus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11,
>>> 2003 12:38 PM
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I know that. As it is stated in the doc it has nothing to do
>>> with web, it can be used anywhere and is not linked with http in any
>>> way. So maybe I got a wrong answer before. I want to make it clear, can
>>> I user WebWork without velocity. Will it work without an errors after
>>> I'm going to remove velocity.jar an enties from web.xml and other
>>> places. Will I be able to ww tags without errors?
>>> If somebody can give me sure answer you are welcome.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> 
>>> From: Patrick Lightbody <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To:
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11,
>>> 2003 7:20 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how
>>> to
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I think you're confused. XWork has almost zero
>>> dependencies. WebWork has a dependency on XWork. It also depends on
>>> velocity if you wish to use the JSP UI tags.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>>> remigijus
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:50 AM
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how
>>> to
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Very sad news. In this way I see no reason to separate
>>> xwork from webwork. Somone has missed some basic idea. I'm little
>>> confused, why to make separation and make dependency on anything else?
>>> Does someone see any inconsistency here, or I'm only one so confused
>>> here?
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> 
>>> From: Patrick Lightbody
>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> 
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 5:57 PM
>>> 
>>> Subject: RE: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without
>>> velocity how to
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Remis,
>>> 
>>> In 1.x, yes. In 2.0, no.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Pat
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>>> remigijus
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:23 AM
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Subject: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity
>>> how to
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There is possibility to use ww ui tags without
>>> using of velocity. If yes how can it be done.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And how using of velocity influent overall
>>> server performance.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Remis
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Fredrik Lindgren
>> Software Architect, Appear Networks AB
>> 
>> 
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