We're always open to contributions, even from you Hani :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Hani Suleiman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 7:22 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to > > > Good job, with more contributions like this the ww2 codebase might be > even be considering by us skeptics one day. > > On Dec 14, 2003, at 7:20 PM, Fredrik Lindgren wrote: > > > As a matter of fact it was fairly easy to refactor it. As > promised, I > > took a shot at the refactoring during the weekend. I have > managed to > > build and deploy a modified webwork-examples.war not including the > > velocity jar. Removing the velocity jar was only done for > > verification. I have nothing against the use of velocity in > webwork. > > It just was a bit too tightly coupled for my taste. > > > > I have not yet had time to produce the patch files for my > changes, but > > I intend to fix the last changes and send them to the list > some time > > tomorrow night. > > > > In short my goal for the refactoring has been to enable pluggable > > template handling implementations while keeping existing use intact. > > - My changes work with the existing UI templates with no need for > > additional configuration. (It defaults to velocity) > > - The changes allow for overriding the implementation used > as default, > > and on a tag by tag basis. To enable this I reintroduced the suffix > > attribute for the tags and removed the ".vm" extension from the > > current template names in the UI tags. > > - The AbstractUITag now extends a new AbstractTemplateTag. > This moves > > the template handling code away from the XHTML specific attributes, > > which seem like a good idea any way. This allows webwork users to > > develop their own template based tags for areas other than > HTML forms. > > > > Best Regards > > Fredrik Lindgren > > > > > > > > > >> > >> That said, I don't personally know exactly what webwork is using > >> velocity > >> for behind the scenes, so I don't know exactly how much effort is > >> involved > >> in refactoring. If it's easy, then fine, I'm all for cutting down > >> unnecessary dependencies. But if it's a lot of hassle, I > think that > >> it's not > >> worth the effort to remove the dependency. It would be > great if there > >> were > >> no dependencies at all, but that's just not possible; if > velocity or > >> some > >> other library is performing core functionality that couldn't be > >> handled > >> otherwise, then it deserves to remain a core dependency. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > >> Of Hani > >> Suleiman > >> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 5:54 AM > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to > >> > >> I disagree. I think the point he's making is 'if I don't > want to use > >> velocity templates, I should not need velocity'. Equivelant > >> statements > >> are: > >> > >> 'if I don't want to use ognl-expressions, I should not > need ognl' 'if > >> I don't want to use jasper reports, I should not need > jasper reports' > >> 'if I don't want to use oracle, I should not need to install it' > >> > >> On Dec 12, 2003, at 8:47 AM, Drew McAuliffe wrote: > >> > >>> Unfortunately, that's like saying if I don't like > commons-logging, I > >>> shouldn't be forced to use it. Or if I don't like ognl, I > shouldn't > >>> be forced to use it. You can't make every dependency in > the library > >>> pluggable. > >>> The only reason I could see velocity becoming a barrier > to your work > >>> with webwork would be if the dependency forced you to > write velocity > >>> templates. > >>> It does not. If you never want to touch a velocity > template ever with > >>> webwork, you don't have to. But you need the jar file > because it is > >>> used behind the scenes for some work. If you're not being > forced to > >>> use velocity templates, then webwork shouldn't be forced > to remove > >>> the > >>> dependency on something it uses for its internals just because you > >>> don't happen to like it. > >>> > >>> It sounds to me like you're confused about what the velocity > >>> dependency means. It doesn't mean you don't have a choice in > >>> presentation methods, because you do (Freemarker, JSP, > velocity). If > >>> you want to use the ui tags, then you may want to know about > >>> velocity to understand the templates or provide your own. If you > >>> don't want to use them, then fine, don't, and you'll > never be forced > >>> to even look at a velocity template. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf > >>> Of > >>> remigijus > >>> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:02 AM > >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Tracy Snell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:49 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> On Dec 11, 2003, at 1:22 PM, Jason Carreira wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> WW1 you can use without velocity, WW2 uses velocity for > its UI tag > >>>>> templates. If you don't plan to use the UI tags, you can remove > >>>>> it. > >>>> > >>>> You can use WW2 and just use JSPs and never have to write any > >>>> Velocity templates. However, Velocity is still there > lurking in the > >>>> dark helping you out. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> Ok I'm happy to get velocity in help when I need it, but I don't > >>> want to be forced to do that. You can say siple don't use > it. Ok I > >>> already doing that. But we are tolking about ww2 design > issues. It > >>> has to be clear and if it's addition, evryone should now > that is not > >>> ww2 but just another additional feature. And as I see some people > >>> also rising some questions about use of freemaker instead of > >>> velocity. I think I'm not only one person who think in this way. > >>> > >>> Forget about what is already, done, think again is it > better to have > >>> it as option or let's say in the core of ww. Try to be objective, > >>> don't be inertic (inertia - I don't know how to write it > in english > >>> in correct way, I hope you eill undertand). > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does > >>>> SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you > >>>> create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click > >>>> Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Opensymphony-webwork mailing list > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------- > >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does > >>> SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you > >>> create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! 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