This sounds great, thanks Frederik! > -----Original Message----- > From: Fredrik Lindgren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 7:20 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to > > > As a matter of fact it was fairly easy to refactor it. As > promised, I took > a shot at the refactoring during the weekend. I have managed > to build and > deploy a modified webwork-examples.war not including the > velocity jar. > Removing the velocity jar was only done for verification. I > have nothing > against the use of velocity in webwork. It just was a bit too tightly > coupled for my taste. > > I have not yet had time to produce the patch files for my > changes, but I > intend to fix the last changes and send them to the list some time > tomorrow night. > > In short my goal for the refactoring has been to enable > pluggable template > handling implementations while keeping existing use intact. > - My changes work with the existing UI templates with no need for > additional configuration. (It defaults to velocity) > - The changes allow for overriding the implementation used as > default, and > on a tag by tag basis. To enable this I reintroduced the > suffix attribute > for the tags and removed the ".vm" extension from the current > template > names in the UI tags. > - The AbstractUITag now extends a new AbstractTemplateTag. > This moves the > template handling code away from the XHTML specific > attributes, which seem > like a good idea any way. This allows webwork users to > develop their own > template based tags for areas other than HTML forms. > > Best Regards > Fredrik Lindgren > > > > > > > > That said, I don't personally know exactly what webwork is using > > velocity for behind the scenes, so I don't know exactly how much > > effort is involved in refactoring. If it's easy, then fine, I'm all > > for cutting down unnecessary dependencies. But if it's a lot of > > hassle, I think that it's not > > worth the effort to remove the dependency. It would be > great if there > > were > > no dependencies at all, but that's just not possible; if > velocity or some > > other library is performing core functionality that > couldn't be handled > > otherwise, then it deserves to remain a core dependency. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of > > Hani > > Suleiman > > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 5:54 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to > > > > I disagree. I think the point he's making is 'if I don't > want to use > > velocity templates, I should not need velocity'. Equivelant > statements > > are: > > > > 'if I don't want to use ognl-expressions, I should not need > ognl' 'if > > I don't want to use jasper reports, I should not need > jasper reports' > > 'if I don't want to use oracle, I should not need to install it' > > > > On Dec 12, 2003, at 8:47 AM, Drew McAuliffe wrote: > > > >> Unfortunately, that's like saying if I don't like > commons-logging, I > >> shouldn't be forced to use it. Or if I don't like ognl, I > shouldn't > >> be forced to use it. You can't make every dependency in > the library > >> pluggable. The only reason I could see velocity becoming a > barrier to > >> your work with webwork would be if the dependency forced > you to write > >> velocity templates. > >> It does not. If you never want to touch a velocity > template ever with > >> webwork, you don't have to. But you need the jar file because it is > >> used behind the scenes for some work. If you're not being forced to > >> use velocity templates, then webwork shouldn't be forced > to remove the > >> dependency on something it uses for its internals just because you > >> don't happen to like it. > >> > >> It sounds to me like you're confused about what the velocity > >> dependency means. It doesn't mean you don't have a choice in > >> presentation methods, because you do (Freemarker, JSP, > velocity). If > >> you want to use the ui tags, then you may want to know > about velocity > >> to understand the templates or provide your own. If you > don't want to > >> use them, then fine, don't, and you'll never be forced to > even look > >> at a velocity template. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf > >> Of remigijus > >> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:02 AM > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Tracy Snell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:49 PM > >> Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to > >> > >> > >>> > >>> On Dec 11, 2003, at 1:22 PM, Jason Carreira wrote: > >>> > >>>> WW1 you can use without velocity, WW2 uses velocity for > its UI tag > >>>> templates. If you don't plan to use the UI tags, you can > remove it. > >>> > >>> You can use WW2 and just use JSPs and never have to write any > >>> Velocity templates. However, Velocity is still there > lurking in the > >>> dark helping you out. > >>> > >>> > >> > >> Ok I'm happy to get velocity in help when I need it, but I > don't want > >> to be forced to do that. You can say siple don't use it. > Ok I already > >> doing that. But we are tolking about ww2 design issues. It > has to be > >> clear and if it's addition, evryone should now that is not ww2 but > >> just another additional feature. And as I see some people > also rising > >> some questions about use of freemaker instead of velocity. I think > >> I'm not only one person who think in this way. > >> > >> Forget about what is already, done, think again is it > better to have > >> it as option or let's say in the core of ww. Try to be objective, > >> don't be inertic (inertia - I don't know how to write it > in english > >> in correct way, I hope you eill undertand). > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------- > >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does > >>> SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you > >>> create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click > >>> Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Opensymphony-webwork mailing list > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------- > >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does > >> SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help > you create > >> better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! 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