Nice to hear all these good news going around. And now seems that evryone is happy despite of some words against it. And mostly thanks to Fredrik Lindgren who I guess did it possible. One more question. Is it now available for download, cvs or new build, if not when it will?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew McAuliffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:50 AM Subject: RE: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to > Nice work. I wasn't sure how coupled they were, but if velocity wasn't > necessary for core work, then it shouldn't be a dependency. Looks like that > was the case and I can now safely back away from the keyboard and my harsh > words.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Fredrik Lindgren > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:20 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to > > As a matter of fact it was fairly easy to refactor it. As promised, I took a > shot at the refactoring during the weekend. I have managed to build and > deploy a modified webwork-examples.war not including the velocity jar. > Removing the velocity jar was only done for verification. I have nothing > against the use of velocity in webwork. It just was a bit too tightly > coupled for my taste. > > I have not yet had time to produce the patch files for my changes, but I > intend to fix the last changes and send them to the list some time tomorrow > night. > > In short my goal for the refactoring has been to enable pluggable template > handling implementations while keeping existing use intact. > - My changes work with the existing UI templates with no need for additional > configuration. (It defaults to velocity) > - The changes allow for overriding the implementation used as default, and > on a tag by tag basis. To enable this I reintroduced the suffix attribute > for the tags and removed the ".vm" extension from the current template names > in the UI tags. > - The AbstractUITag now extends a new AbstractTemplateTag. This moves the > template handling code away from the XHTML specific attributes, which seem > like a good idea any way. This allows webwork users to develop their own > template based tags for areas other than HTML forms. > > Best Regards > Fredrik Lindgren > > > > > > > > That said, I don't personally know exactly what webwork is using > > velocity for behind the scenes, so I don't know exactly how much > > effort is involved in refactoring. If it's easy, then fine, I'm all > > for cutting down unnecessary dependencies. But if it's a lot of > > hassle, I think that it's not worth the effort to remove the > > dependency. It would be great if there were no dependencies at all, > > but that's just not possible; if velocity or some other library is > > performing core functionality that couldn't be handled otherwise, then > > it deserves to remain a core dependency. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Hani Suleiman > > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 5:54 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to > > > > I disagree. I think the point he's making is 'if I don't want to use > > velocity templates, I should not need velocity'. Equivelant statements > > are: > > > > 'if I don't want to use ognl-expressions, I should not need ognl' > > 'if I don't want to use jasper reports, I should not need jasper reports' > > 'if I don't want to use oracle, I should not need to install it' > > > > On Dec 12, 2003, at 8:47 AM, Drew McAuliffe wrote: > > > >> Unfortunately, that's like saying if I don't like commons-logging, I > >> shouldn't be forced to use it. Or if I don't like ognl, I shouldn't > >> be forced to use it. You can't make every dependency in the library > >> pluggable. > >> The only reason I could see velocity becoming a barrier to your work > >> with webwork would be if the dependency forced you to write velocity > >> templates. > >> It does not. If you never want to touch a velocity template ever with > >> webwork, you don't have to. But you need the jar file because it is > >> used behind the scenes for some work. If you're not being forced to > >> use velocity templates, then webwork shouldn't be forced to remove > >> the dependency on something it uses for its internals just because > >> you don't happen to like it. > >> > >> It sounds to me like you're confused about what the velocity > >> dependency means. It doesn't mean you don't have a choice in > >> presentation methods, because you do (Freemarker, JSP, velocity). If > >> you want to use the ui tags, then you may want to know about velocity > >> to understand the templates or provide your own. If you don't want to > >> use them, then fine, don't, and you'll never be forced to even look > >> at a velocity template. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > >> Of remigijus > >> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:02 AM > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Tracy Snell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:49 PM > >> Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to > >> > >> > >>> > >>> On Dec 11, 2003, at 1:22 PM, Jason Carreira wrote: > >>> > >>>> WW1 you can use without velocity, WW2 uses velocity for its UI tag > >>>> templates. If you don't plan to use the UI tags, you can remove it. > >>> > >>> You can use WW2 and just use JSPs and never have to write any > >>> Velocity templates. However, Velocity is still there lurking in the > >>> dark helping you out. > >>> > >>> > >> > >> Ok I'm happy to get velocity in help when I need it, but I don't want > >> to be forced to do that. You can say siple don't use it. Ok I already > >> doing that. > >> But we are tolking about ww2 design issues. It has to be clear and if > >> it's addition, evryone should now that is not ww2 but just another > >> additional feature. And as I see some people also rising some > >> questions about use of freemaker instead of velocity. I think I'm not > >> only one person who think in this way. > >> > >> Forget about what is already, done, think again is it better to have > >> it as option or let's say in the core of ww. Try to be objective, > >> don't be inertic (inertia - I don't know how to write it in english > >> in correct way, I hope you eill undertand). > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------- > >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. > >>> Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you > >>> create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click > >>> Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Opensymphony-webwork mailing list > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------- > >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. > >> Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you > >> create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! 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