These are all good ideas Kevin, I agree contributing docs to OrionSupport is
a good idea, but docs themselves can be tricky to write - if I'm
interpreting the list correctly, it's _sample applications_ that people
want.
Perhaps if people have code / apps they don't mind Open Sourcing, we could
get a library of 'good', well documented applications on Orion Support? (I
have one HUGE app that will be out within the next two weeks that is OSS and
uses everything Orion has to offer)
As for the tools, I've told the team many times that my personal opinion is
tools should be Open Source. They don't sell the tools, they sell the app
server. I know myself, Joseph, Victor and a few of the other 'Orion oldies
and know-it-alls' would be happy to hack at the admin tools to make them
better. (And with the upcoming J2EE Management Spec we could make them kick
ass tools for _any_ app server, which ironically would bring more cred to
Orion if we could best WL's buggy console)
Installer is not so useful IMHO, I'm sure the Orion team are working on
tools to tweak the running server's values, and setting up the initial
values are pretty much what Orion does out of the box?
Mike
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kevin Duffey
> Sent: Monday, 21 August 2000 7:53
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: Documentation initiative
>
>
> Hey all,
>
> Since so many of us love Orion, or are trying to love it but have problems
> understanding some things, how bougt we help out the Orion team by
> documenting as much as we can? I for one have been using it for quite some
> time and have some knowledge of some areas. I would love to learn other
> areas as they become available. Joseph is doing a good job with
> orionsupport.com, and he has asked for any contributions. For those of us
> that feel we know the product somewhat well, lets do our part.
> Hell, unlike
> other products, Orion is free for everything except production, and that
> cost is a fraction of the cost of other app servers.
>
> Also, while the team hasn't opened up the source or anything for us to
> contribute, I was thinking of doing a Wizard installer in Java,
> but I am not
> very good with SWING. Right now you unzip, configure the xml
> files, and let
> it rip. Maybe a simple installer that the team can use and
> package that has
> a wizard interface for setting up the common areas would be nice. Anyone
> want to help with this? Would the Orion team mind if we help out in these
> areas? May be a while as I don't have much time, but it might help on the
> installation woes some people seem to have.
>
> If anyone to everyone is in agreement (including Orion team),
> lets help kick
> the Orion App Server into high gear so it can kick the crap out of those
> much much much more expensive app servers that don't quite follow the
> standards as well. If all in favor, maybe we can start off a chapter index
> in this list (or on the orionsupport.com site) and contribute to areas
> needing documentation as well as writing those. Also, I believe a good
> "review" of docs by all involved would allow for the most accurate docs
> instead of relying on faith of one person. No offense, but I sure
> don't want
> people reading what I write assuming its 100% right. I would rather have
> others look it over and make sure it makes sense, is easy to follow along
> and actually works as stated.
>
> Awaiting replies.
>
>
>
