After looking on JBuilder 4 Enterprise im dissapointed. The editor is huge,
but JSP support is really bad, + EJB support is virtually not there. For a
påroduct that expensive i recomend you to stay FAR away from it, its not
worth it.
Visual Cafe is sold from webgain (See webgain studio, looks like a good
package)..
Forte Internet edition actually support Enterprise development just as good
as JBuilder, only the CVS support in forte is good enough to work against a
pserver, JBuilder dont have support for notification/edit-unedit + branching
+ some basic cvs commands like add and so on, so the CVS support JBuilder
claims to have is just on paper nothing else.
To use any Enterprise IDE i would recomend at least 512 MB ram and maby
TogetherJ is just what you need, the Enterprise support in that product is
Excelent, but its even more expensive than JBuilder :)
Klaus Myrseth
> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> Fra: J.T. Wenting [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sendt: 11. desember 2000 13:19
> Til: Orion-Interest
> Emne: RE: Off topic: development tools
>
> JBuilder is an excellent tool, especially version 4. Previous versions
> suffered from relatively poor performance and were prone to craching due
> to the JVM leaking memory at an alarming rate. While no problem with
> JBuilder per se, it did mean that JBuilder fell behind in the polls
> compared to IDEs that are not pure Java.
> JDeveloper is indeed based on JBuilder, but on a very early version (2.0 I
> think, maybe even 1.0). I do not think the current version should be seen
> as a direct clone of current JBuilder versions.
>
> I am using JBuilder for creating all kinds of Java apps, but not EJBs. We
> use iPlanet webserver for deployment which does not support EJB, so I
> would have nowhere to run them :) I tried getting Orion into the
> organization here but corporate standards say iPlanet and Websphere...
>
> Ant is not an IDE, but rather a replacement for ye olde make. You could
> look at Forte, but it is designed more for Swing GUIs with little support
> for serverside apps, and suffers heavily from memory bloat and leakage.
> If anyone knows who currently markets Visual Cafe?
> I cannot recommend Visual Age for Java. It is huge, slow and a resource
> hog (better not use it on any machine with <256MB RAM, more is better).
> Also, I personally find the interface highly confusing and unintuitive. It
> is also linked more or less completely with Websphere alone.
>
> Jeroen T. Wenting
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Murphy was wrong, things that can't go wrong will anyway
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:03
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: Off topic: development tools
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> I am in the process of selecting an IDE for developing J2EE
> applications on Orion. I would appreciate any advice on the subject. I've
> noticed from emails that JBuilder is quite popular. Other contenders that
> I know off are: Visual Café, JDeveloper (Oracle flavour of JBuilder),
> public domain tools like Ant, etc.
>
> The features I am mainly interested in are: ability to develop for
> different Apps Servers, visual debugging, validation of conformance with
> specifications (e.g. for EJBs).
>
> I will be grateful for your comments and recommendations.
>
> Thanks,
> Jarek Skreta
>
>
