Ron, 
I disagree.  We are not at different ends of the spectrum.  I think we
have different ways of expressing the same desire to keep occupation the
central tenet of OT.  However, I still think you are trying to "burn
both ends of the candle" by not admitting in order to establish baseline
occupational performance one must establish baseline "human" deficit.
We are limited creatures, who depend on these bodies that are decaying
(some more rapidly than others) to successfully engage in the things
(occupations) that are meaningful to us.  Your own case history reveals
this.  You do a great job of establishing in a snap shot where the
deficits are:
Martha: A Case Study

History:
        90 y/o female
        s/p CVA (approximately 10 years) with mild residual affects
        Generalized weakness
        Decreased endurance
        Diffuse pattern of extremity pain
        HTTN
        Severe anxiety
Evaluation:
        Decreased strength in bi-lateral LE
        Pain in right LE, secondary to "injury" while standing from
toilet
        Decreased endurance
        Dependent for most ADL's.
        Requires mod - max assist with transfers
        Non-ambulatory
Prior Level of Function:
        Previously ambulated with RW, short distances
        Transferred independently
The only occupation mentioned (toileting)is in relation to pain.  Your
goals reflect occupational performance areas but your eval does not.
Why?


Neal C. Luther,OTR/L
Rehab Program Coordinator
Advanced Home Care
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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 6:49 AM
To: Neal Luther
Subject: Re: [OTlist] Best Practice

Hello Neal:

I  do  not  feel  that  I'm splitting hairs at all. What you and I are
saying  are  at  two  ends  of the spectrum. We are describing totally
different   theoretical  approaches  to  treatment.  Using  IADL's  to
remediate  balance  is  nothing unique to our profession. And, I think
this  type  of  approach leads some OT's to do pretty silly stuff like
cones, shoulder arc, pegs, balloons, laundry, washing windows, etc.

What  I'm  arguing  is  that  OT's  role  should  not  be  remediating
underlying  issues,  other  profession's do that. Instead, our primary
role, and distinction is remediating occupational issues.

Ron
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----- Original Message -----
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NL> Ron, 
NL> Your splitting hairs.
NL> I put IADL/balance in the context of treating an ortho pt. (TKR). 
NL> Respectfully,



NL> Neal C. Luther,OTR/L
NL> Rehab Program Coordinator
NL> Advanced Home Care
NL> 1-336-878-8824 xt 3205
NL> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

NL> Home Care is our Business...Caring is our Specialty

NL> -----Original Message-----
NL> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
NL> Behalf Of Ron Carson
NL> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:36 PM
NL> To: Neal Luther
NL> Subject: Re: [OTlist] Best Practice

NL> Neal, it seems that we look at things differently:

NL> You say:

NL>         "we  do  higher  level  IADL  tasks ... usually to work on
the
NL>         dynamics of balance"

NL> I look at it this way:

NL>         I  do  higher level tasks so the patient can learn to do
these
NL>         tasks independently <and>

NL>         I work on the dynamics of balance so the patient can do
higher
NL>         level tasks

NL> Also,  for  me,  I know if interventions are successful if the
patient
NL> has  improved  occupational  performance.  Lastly, In my opinion,
OT's
NL> role  is  not  PREPARING  the  patient  for  return  to activity,
it's
NL> RETURNING them to activity.

NL> Does any of this make sense or is it just "rubbish" <smile>

NL> Ron
NL> --
NL> Ron Carson MHS, OT

NL> ----- Original Message -----
NL> From: Neal Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
NL> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008
NL> To:   OTlist@OTnow.com <OTlist@OTnow.com>
NL> Subj: [OTlist] Best Practice

NL>> Simple.  If we don't know that our interventions are successful we
NL> dare
NL>> not make claims on occupational performance.  It's akin to
NL> performing
NL>> PROM on someone in a coma (which can be a good thing) and when they
NL> come
NL>> out of the coma claiming our intervention as the reason they are
NL> able
NL>> feed themselves now.  Another example would be in orthopedics.  Why
NL> do
NL>> we do higher level IADL tasks.  In my experience, it is usually to
NL> work
NL>> on the dynamics of balance (especially with TKR's).  If I do not
NL> know
NL>> the effects of single leg stance on the joint and whether that pt.
NL> Is
NL>> ready (usually in consult with PT) then I can't plan occupational
NL> tasks
NL>> accordingly. And if this is not addressed then I have not done my
NL> job to
NL>> prepare that pt. For return to meaningful activity.



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NL>> Why?

NL>> Ron
NL>> --
NL>> Ron Carson MHS, OT

NL>> ----- Original Message -----
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NL>>> Also,  I  think  we  have  to measure success at both levels --the
NL>>> treated area and occupational performance.





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