Dear Tina,

I am unable to help you with your after pains situation, but I can certainly
offer some advice regarding the siblings being present at the birth.

I had my last baby (now 10 months) at the hospital, I was booked into the
Moorabbin birth centre but after being in their care until 6 weeks prior to
my due date they cancelled me as "too high risk" even though the reasons for
the 'high risk' classification were all explained to them at the very first
appointment at which stage they were prepared to have me.

Anyway, my doctor and my birthplan provided to the hospital included having
my children present.  I am unaware of the ages of your other children, but
mine were 12, 10 and 9 at the time of the birth.

I also received funny looks from everyone I told that they would be present
and even now when I tell people I still get that response.  The midwifes at
the hospital immediately assumed that it would be a problem.

But I offered my children the option and let them decide, being very
involved with pregnancy/birth my children all new what to expect and I made
sure that they saw as many 'normal' births on video etc. although natural
birth videos are hard to come by.

All my children were excited to be part of the birthing process and could
not wait for me to go into labour, they kept talking to 'the bump' as we
called our baby, telling him/her to hurry up.

My children were even fearful that if they were at their fathers (we share
care week about) that I would not call them at their dad's especially if it
was through the night.  I assured them that it was extremely important for
me that they be there if that was there wish.

At the time, it as actually 2.15am when they were called, and yes they were
at their father's (he was very understanding and supportive in my choice) so
when they arrived at the hospital, they were raring to pitch in.

One of them was on 'hot pack duty', this being the youngest, as I was
hanging off a chair and she had to slide along the floor to enable her to
place the hot pack on my back. The other was on the ice cold face washer
duty and the third on misc. duties.

When second stage approached, the eldest could not take his eyes of my birth
area, the 10 year old was going back and forth looking, and looking away.
The youngest was scared of my guteral screams and hid behind me until the
birth.

We have the most beautiful photo of all of us taken 10 mins after the birth,
and the smiles on my eldest childrens faces are a sight to behold.

All children at all stages were given the option to be there or not, to
touch or not, etc. etc.  With appropriate education and preparation (talking
about what to expect, videos etc) there is no reason your children can not
be involved unless it is of their own choice.  I found it very important to
let them decide, so that they did not feel any pressure to be there.

All went well and I will never regret the choice that I made to involve
them.

Good luck with your upcoming addition and don't forget to let us know how it
went.

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Yours in Childbirth and with the Love of Friendship
Rita
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Mother of David – 13, Haydie – 11, Alysha – 10 and Baby Tyler 8 months
Registered Nurse, Student Midwife (currently in hiatus – due to
injury), Aspiring CBE and Doula



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From: Marty & Tina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Afterbirth pains
Date: 23/02/03 16:27

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> Dear All,
> &nbsp;
> I am hoping you may be able to help.&nbsp; I am
> expecting my fourth baby in approx. 2 weeks &amp; need some advise.&nbsp;
I
> usually experience killer afterbirth pains that often seem worse than the
> labour.&nbsp; For this birth I am attending the Birth Centre here in
Brisbane
> &amp; am planning to birth in the water &amp; birth my placenta
> physiologically.&nbsp; I have not had a physiological third stage in the
past
> (nor a water birth) &amp; I was hoping that this will make a difference to
the
> afterbirth pains.&nbsp; The acupuncturist I have been visiting has also
> suggested Chinese herbs (usually used in labour) to assist with this pain
> also... have any of you used Chinese herbs for something like this &amp;
if so,
> are they safe for breastfeeding?
> &nbsp;
> Also, my husband &amp; I are planning on having our
> 3 other children at our birth &amp; I was thinking that if all goes to
plan that
> they may like to touch the baby as he/she crowns &amp; is born.&nbsp; Do
any of
> you experienced with siblings being present find that siblings want to be
this
> involved?&nbsp; I want my children to find this experience as wonderful
&amp;
> totally natural as I do.&nbsp; I cannot put into words the way I feel
about
> birth (as a woman, mother &amp; midwife)... but would somehow like to
share
> these overwhelming feelings with my children.&nbsp; Do many of the
children want
> to get into the birth pool / tub during the labour &amp;/or birth?&nbsp; I
know
> all children are individual (my three certainly are)... but would not like
to
> limit them &amp; the way they would like to participate just because I
have no
> idea about the normal reactions of children&nbsp; I have never met anybody
who
> has had their other children present at their births &amp; I have never
cared
> for any woman in that situation&nbsp;&nbsp;(in fact almost everyone I tell
of
> our plans look at me as though I've stepped from another planet).
> &nbsp;
> Any suggestions welcome.... (I hope my questions
> make sense.... brains getting a bit foggy in the lead up to birth).
> &nbsp;
> Tina H.
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