I'm not sure that's the case, but what if it is?  So what if they're posted
to make people aware of situations that exist in the world outside of
flowers and landscapes, and apart from digital shmigital cell phone
cameras?  That is one of the  purposes of photography, is it not, to
document and report on the world in which we live and to present ideas in
the form of images to provoke thought and discussion.? 

Jerry Todd
Dancing Frog Studio
Calaveras, CA



> [Original Message]
> From: Caveman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 10/29/2004 7:17:56 PM
> Subject: Re: PAW PESO - Breakfast in Bed
>
> It is most evident now that you post these pics here with the purpose of 
> starting social/political debates and not artistical/technical ones 
> related to photography. May I suggest some other controversial subjects 
> like guns/abortion/religion. This would help make the list perfectly 
> unreadable.
>
> Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
> > You look but you do not see ... tis a shame you are so jaded and
cynical. 
> > She's smiling, there's direct eye contact, and she's not the least bit
> > "grumpy" with my presence.  Your comments are worthless since you've
made
> > them based on unwarranted assumptions and lack of observation.  In
> > addition, apart from being totally mistaken about the photograph, you're
> > attempting to point a negative finger at me personally.  Well, I won't
take
> > it quietly like I did with the last pic I put up.
> > 
> > My comments were not to evoke sympathy, but to show a similarity between
> > two extreme segments of the population.  Both can enjoy a pleasant
morning
> > breakfast in bed regardless of social and economic class or their
physical
> > situation.  It's sad you only perceive the negative.
> > 
> > To judge someone and their life as you've done is just a load of crap. 
> > Consider yourself fortunate that you don't have the problems that put
this
> > woman on the sidewalk that morning.  Consider that you're not mentally
ill,
> > that you have some form of socialized medicine to help you when you need
> > attention, that you may have family or friends which she may not have,
and
> > you have other resources, both financial and social, to help you should
you
> > have the problems that this woman has.
> > 
> > It is easy to look down on someone, but, perhaps more difficult to show
> > empathy and understanding until you've experienced some of what they've
> > experienced.  Clearly you have not, or, if you have, you have a short
> > memory.  
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks for the scanning tip.
> > 
> > Shel 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>[Original Message]
> >>From: Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > 
> >>Portraits of the Less Fortunate, as Shel calls them, can be
> >>interesting. With Shel's intro it seems like we're supposed to feel
> >>sorry for this lady, for all the obvious social reasons.This photo
> >>fails to provoke such emotions with me. She's just an obese woman,
> >>smoking and munching junk food on the pavement. There's no eye
> >>contact, and the lady looks grumpy. Possibly with the photographer's
> >>presence?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 


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