Hi Paul,

I'm having a hard time with you saying that this image has a nice range of
grayscale and  good contrast.  You must be seeing something on your screen
that's very different than what's on my screen.  Frank's rendition of the
image has blown highlights (note, for example, the paper plate being held
by the woman), minimal, and sometimes blocked shadow detail, and an overall
dark tone.  The Maple Leafs logo shows virtually no separation of tone
between its background and the cap proper, and a couple of people in the
background have all but disappeared into a deep murkiness.  There are
details on the little girl's jacket that are either lost or barely visible,
the purse being carried by the woman on the far left side of the frame
shows no shadow detail, a reflection in a window is obscured, the woman's
dress in the upper right side of the image shows no detail, and so on.  I
see many, many problems with this image, as I usually do with many of
Frank's pics.  Perhaps it's because you're using a Mac, with a different
screen gamma than a PC, that you see this as an image as you described.

I've discussed this with Frank several times, and have shown him other
versions of some of his posted pics where the image tonality has been
opened up, shadows and dark areas given some detail, highlights toned down
to show detail rather than pure white.  He's agreed that some of these
alterations looked better than the posted pics and more like the original
prints.

My screen may not be perfectly calibrated, but it's pretty close, and
considering the number of people who say that some of my images are too
dark, the screen before me can't be so far off, and may in fact even be a
scosh too bright, so on that basis, I should be seeing more than I am.  

Anyway, I played with this image a bit and sent the results to Frank, who
felt it was superior to his posting.  He may put it up, and it will be
interesting to see how they compare for you (and others), and if the new
rendition looks too bright or washed out.  Considering the number of images
put up here on the list, I cannot help but wonder if there might be a way
to have all our monitors calibrated so they are closer to one another. 
Maybe that's too much to ask, however, considering this is a photography
list, a list from which we learn from one another, share our vision, and
explore things visually, might a "global" calibration be something to shoot
for, and is it even possible to do?

Shel 


> [Original Message]
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> I like this a lot. Excellent composition and framing. Nice range of
grayscale, good contrast.


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