On Jan 18, 2005, at 10:27 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I first viewed this image on my i-book, and it looked quite good. I like the fact that it's somewhat high contrast and a bit on the dark side, because it draws attention to the principal characters. As far as the people in the background are concerned, you certainly can't expect to see much detail since they are out of focus due to depth of field. To expect to see detail in the purse on the far left background or in the dress on the far right background is not realistic, although both of these elements are clearly defined against the rest of the background.. I look at Frank's images as flatbed scans of prints. They're a representation of the print rather than perfected internet images. I must admit that if it were my image I would have worked it in shadows/highlights a bit and re-evaluated it after that step. Yet it's by no means a disaster in grayscale. The paper plate shows shadow below the rim. The little girl's face is nice detailed in its balance of shadow and highlight. The tones range from almost pure white to almost pure black, with plenty of variations in between. That's an acceptable range by any measure. My monitor is, of course, operating at 1.8 gamma. i think that anyone who is working with photographs should be at 1.8. At 2.2, the photo is way off. But 2.2 is for video games, not photography. All of the stock houses I've worked with insist that photos display correctly at 1.8 gamma., because most purchasers of stock are working at 1.8. That's generally the standard for photography. At 1.8, Frank's photo is quite satisfactory.
On Jan 18, 2005, at 9:51 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Hi Paul,
I'm having a hard time with you saying that this image has a nice range of
grayscale and good contrast. You must be seeing something on your screen
that's very different than what's on my screen. Frank's rendition of the
image has blown highlights (note, for example, the paper plate being held
by the woman), minimal, and sometimes blocked shadow detail, and an overall
dark tone. The Maple Leafs logo shows virtually no separation of tone
between its background and the cap proper, and a couple of people in the
background have all but disappeared into a deep murkiness. There are
details on the little girl's jacket that are either lost or barely visible,
the purse being carried by the woman on the far left side of the frame
shows no shadow detail, a reflection in a window is obscured, the woman's
dress in the upper right side of the image shows no detail, and so on. I
see many, many problems with this image, as I usually do with many of
Frank's pics. Perhaps it's because you're using a Mac, with a different
screen gamma than a PC, that you see this as an image as you described.
I've discussed this with Frank several times, and have shown him other
versions of some of his posted pics where the image tonality has been
opened up, shadows and dark areas given some detail, highlights toned down
to show detail rather than pure white. He's agreed that some of these
alterations looked better than the posted pics and more like the original
prints.
My screen may not be perfectly calibrated, but it's pretty close, and
considering the number of people who say that some of my images are too
dark, the screen before me can't be so far off, and may in fact even be a
scosh too bright, so on that basis, I should be seeing more than I am.
Anyway, I played with this image a bit and sent the results to Frank, who
felt it was superior to his posting. He may put it up, and it will be
interesting to see how they compare for you (and others), and if the new
rendition looks too bright or washed out. Considering the number of images
put up here on the list, I cannot help but wonder if there might be a way
to have all our monitors calibrated so they are closer to one another.
Maybe that's too much to ask, however, considering this is a photography
list, a list from which we learn from one another, share our vision, and
explore things visually, might a "global" calibration be something to shoot
for, and is it even possible to do?
Shel
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I like this a lot. Excellent composition and framing. Nice range ofgrayscale, good contrast.
