On Jan 31, 2010, at 10:29 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > On 1/31/2010 7:14 PM, paul stenquist wrote: >> On Jan 31, 2010, at 6:29 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: >> >> >>> I understand where B&H is coming from. However now I don't know if I can >>> take any contract they make seriously. Right now for example Staples.com >>> has the HP B8550 printer on sale for half price. Before if B&H had the >>> same deal I would have had no hesitation to buy the same item from them, >>> now I can't afford to believe them. I don't think B&H is dishonest >>> exactly, but if they made a mistake, I don't know what I'd get, maybe I'll >>> get half a printer, (OK that's being silly), but really I don't know how >>> they'd handle it. Maybe they'd send me a different printer selling for the >>> amount I authorized, (which depending on what they sent might amount to >>> half a printer), since they seem to be able to change contracts at whim. >>> Sure the disclaimer is they'll take it back at no cost to me, but what a >>> pain in the ass that would be. I guess I'll still buy from B&H iif their >>> price isn't too much lower than the competition. >>> >>> >> Nonsense. B&H's record speaks for itself. >> Paul >> > > Yes it does, they made a "contract", and when they discovered their mistake > they reneged, because they could. > > Once again; if I see a deal on B&H[s web site, that looks too good to be > true, how will I know if it's legitimate or a mistake? > > How will I know if they will honor it? > > If it;s a mistake, and they decide not to honor it, will they simply ship me > something /like/ what I ordered and leave it to me to complain and ship it > back, rather than notifying me of the situation and give me a choice? > > I only have one data point, for when things don't go smoothly. It doesn't > inspire confidence. >
Much ado over nothing. > >>> On 1/31/2010 2:58 PM, P N Stenquist wrote: >>> >>>> 'm forwarding this message to allow Henry to be heard. He sent it to me >>>> and asked me to pot it on the list. It in no way reflects any opinions of >>>> my own. I have none:-). I'm sending it in two parts, as it's too large a >>>> file for the list. >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> I am sorry Igor is disappointed by our response to the customer who >>>> thought he was buying two $250.00 speakers due to an inadvertent error on >>>> our site. Any customer knowledgeable about the product would have >>>> immediately recognized there was an error. I am sorry too Igor did not >>>> find my reply sufficiently apologetic, but the flip side of this coin is >>>> the customer in question, knowing there was an error, nevertheless wanted >>>> two for the price of one and when we declined to accede to his request >>>> attempted to apply leverage to us via his public complaints. What are the >>>> ethics of a customer who wants two for one, knowing what he knew in the >>>> first place? >>>> >>>> @P. J. Alling >>>> I've never had a problem with B&H personally but the attitude does bother >>>> me. I do however have a problem with their attitude. Even if they mad a >>>> mistake, what they've done is still against NY State law. >>>> >>>> Respectfully, I believe P. J. Alling is mistaken and our action in this >>>> matter are not at all against NY state law. We have a team of in-house >>>> lawyers who know pretty much everything we do in matters of this nature >>>> and would certainly have stopped us were we violating the law. >>>> >>>> >>>> Tom C >>>> The disclaimor ... would probably not hold up under the law. >>>> >>>> As above -- the disclaimer was written by our in-house lead counsel and >>>> will certainly hold up. >>>> >>>> @Igor >>>> On a different subject, - I am rather annoyed by the recent thing >>>> that B&H (and a few other resellers, including Adorama, Buydig, >>>> Amazon, etc.) started doing when they do not show the price on their >>>> website until you add the item to the shopping cart. >>>> Some of them say that it dictated by the manufacturer not allowing >>>> them to display low prices. I am not sure if that's all true, - but >>>> that sounds like a bunch of bologna. >>>> Does anybody know if there is any substantial reason behind that game? >>>> >>>> In fact I do. It is not bologna. It's the manufacturer's MAP agreement. >>>> MAP = Minimum advertised price. This dictates the lowest price we can >>>> advertise and what we may and may not do in print or online when the >>>> selling price is below the MAP price. Retailers who've told you, "it >>>> dictated by the manufacturer not allowing them to display low prices," are >>>> telling you the complete truth. >>>> >>>> @Tom C >>>> it is still a matter of false and misleading advertising. >>>> >>>> I believe you are mistaken. It was an inadvertent error. Saying it was >>>> "false and misleading" implies it was done purposely with intent to >>>> mislead or defraud. It was an inadvertent error. >>>> >>>> @P N Stenquist >>>> "I've been working with B&H for many years and with 47th Street Photo >>>> before them, which I believe was owned by the same group. >>>> I've only been with B&H for 15 years, but as far as I know the owners of >>>> B&H and the owners, then or now, of 47th St Photo are unrelated. >>>> >>>> @Boris Liberman >>>> B&H has a small warehouse under our Manhattan store and our main warehouse >>>> is in Brooklyn. We're working on a program to distinguish store stock from >>>> Brooklyn warehouse stock for our web site. Any store customer who wants to >>>> buy an item that's only in stock in the Brooklyn warehouse should be >>>> offered free shipping to any address in the "lower-48" states. >>>> >>>> @Igor Roshchin >>>> "Did B&H offer him to honor the wrong price if he pulls off his review..." >>>> We did not. That would be unethical and would also violate >>>> resellerrating's rules. The review in question was written by >>>> "Polymistis." He apparently edited it so it's reverted to "Pending" >>>> status. It will reappear when it shifts off >>>> pending again. >>>> >>>> @Tom C "It's a stretch to think B&H reads the PDML" >>>> Stretch away. :-) >>>> "the next time a PDML member has a problem with a retailer, that after the >>>> thread goes a while..." >>>> We are ALWAYS concerned when a customer has a problem and as B&H's >>>> customer ombudsman (Not water carrier) I take a personal interest in >>>> resolving such difficulties with a minimum of red tale whenever possible. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\fnil\fcharset0 >>> Courier New;}} >>> \viewkind4\uc1\pard\f0\fs20 I've just upgraded to Thunderbird 3.0 and the >>> interface subtly weird.\par >>> } >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> >> > > > -- > {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\fnil\fcharset0 Courier > New;}} > \viewkind4\uc1\pard\f0\fs20 I've just upgraded to Thunderbird 3.0 and the > interface subtly weird.\par > } > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.