I'm not sure exactly what you mean, however humans are animals, great apes to be exact, and like every other animal on the face of the earth, we have evolved from ancestors to our current form.
Cheers, frank On November 25, 2015 9:41:37 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote: >Do you consider humans to be part of the evolutionary scale? > >Alan C > >-----Original Message----- >From: knarf >Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 2:28 PM >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor > >We were talking about protesters and anti-fur, but you correctly >surmise >that I am sympathetic to their cause. And yes, many of the protesters >we met >on Sunday are vegans, some of whom we've met at vegan events. > >We've discussed my dietary veganism before, and while there are no >"rules", >ethical vegans normally take the position that it is wrong to exploit >animals. For that reason we do not knowingly consume animal products, >and >that extends beyond diet. I do not want to use any product that came >from an >animal: that includes leather, wool, silk, etc. It gets tricky because >some >glues have animal products. Some beer has fish - derived isinglas (a >foaming agent). Sometimes one really has to research to make sure they >are >not unwittingly exploiting animals. > >As for my shoes, I mostly wear canvas running shoes (Converse Chuck >Taylor's >to be exact) and my dress shoes are synthetic that have the look (but >not >cruelty) of leather. > >Thanks for asking. > >And by "native" we were referring to North America's First Nations >people , >the descendants of those who greeted the first Europeans when they >arrived >here. We used to call them "Indians" because many early explorers were >geographically challenged. That term is no longer used as we now >reserve it >for those who are actually from the country India. > >Cheers, > >frank > >On November 25, 2015 2:36:11 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote: >>What about your leather shoes? And what is a native? >> >>Alan C >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: knarf >>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 7:49 AM >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >> >>You said "no store sells fur". I found one that does. I didn't say >Holt >> >>Renfrew in Toronto sells wolf coats. I was making answer to a very >>specific >>statement you made. >> >>That being said, most wolf fur sold is ~not~ for coats, it's trim. >>There's >>every possibility that there are coats in Holt's with wolf trim. And >>even if >>there isn't, they do sell fur. That's what the protest was generally >>about, >>the sale of any fur. Their placards educated about the fur industry as >>a >>whole, including coyote fur, which is far more commonly sold. >> >>Why are you getting so hung up on details? Does that diminish the >>protest >>for you in some way, if you feel can find a few inaccuracies or >>inconsistencies? >> >>By the way, kudos on playing the "traditional Native lifestyle" card! >>Now if >>we really gave a crap about their lifestyle we'd enforce broken >>treaties and >>give back stolen lands. >> >>BTW most fur isn't trapped by natives. Or from North America. Or even >>trapped. The vast majority of pelts sold are from European and Asian >>fur >>farms. Just so you know... >> >> >>Cheers, >> >>frank >> >> >> >> >>On November 25, 2015 12:09:49 AM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola" >><danmaty...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>They were protesting a store, Frank. What does this site have to do >>>with the store they were protesting -- or any of the legitimate >stores >>>that PETA demonstrates against? >>> >>>Quite frankly, there will always be wolves and other species that can >>>be hunted and used under certain circumstances, especially by native >>>peoples, Preserving their traditional life style is more important. >>>Dan Matyola >>>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>> >>> >>>On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 10:44 PM, knarf <knarftheria...@gmail.com> >>>wrote: >>>> http://www.peterpalms.com/wolf/ >>>> >>>> Probably made up by some PETA looney to discredit the fur >>industry... >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> frank >>>> >>>> On November 24, 2015 10:33:59 PM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola" >>><danmaty...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>No store sells wolf fur. Pure propaganda. >>>>> >>>>>Dan Matyola >>>>>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:36 PM, John <sesso...@earthlink.net> >>wrote: >>>>>> I think that's wolf fur. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/23/2015 11:47 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Children are dying of malnutrition; they protest about rodents. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dan Matyola >>>>>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 7:43 PM, frank theriault >>>>>>> <knarftheria...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As we walked downtown yesterday we saw a bunch of police cars >in >>>>>front >>>>>>>> of Holt's, a very upscale department store. An animal rights >>>group >>>>>was >>>>>>>> protesting fur in general, but also the fact that Holt's sells >>>it: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'll likely have a gallery later in the week, but until then, >>>this >>>>>>>> kind of sums it up: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/the-protestor.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fur trim on parkas and coats is unfortunately seeing a >>resurgence >>>>>>>> around these parts. I'll keep political thoughts to myself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> cheers, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> frank >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Science - Questions we may never find answers for. >>>>>> Religion - Answers we must never question. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly >above >>>>>and >>>>>> follow the directions. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson >>>> >>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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