Go on, I dare you, be a devil. Do some research. You may be surprised what
you find.
Alan C
-----Original Message-----
From: knarf
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 6:52 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
I have no idea which other great ape is "closest" to humans. I suppose it
would be either chimps or bonobos but that's just a non-scientific feeling.
My opinion really doesn't mean much.
Whoever the common ancestor of the great apes was, is not a matter of
opinion. However I have no idea who that might be. Paleontology is not an
area that I have much expertise, or for that matter, interest in.
Cheers,
frank
On November 25, 2015 10:40:52 PM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
You're right. Perhaps "living cousins" would have been better.
"Genetically
we're close to chimps, bonobos, gorillas and orangutans" - which, in
your
opinion is closest to humans? Do you have an opinion as to who the
common
ancestor may have been. "I have to say, I rather feel as if I'm being
cross-examined here, as if you're moving toward a conclusion, or tying
to
trap me in some way" - not really, I'm trying to establish a common
base so
we can further our discourse.
Alan C
-----Original Message-----
From: knarf
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:10 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
I don't understand your question. We don't have any "living ancestors"
in
evolutionary terms.
As I said earlier, we're great apes, so genetically we're close to
chimps,
bonobos, gorillas and orangutans. But they aren't ancestors or somehow
"below" us. We share a common ancestor and each species has evolved
differently to where we are today.
I have to say, I rather feel as if I'm being cross-examined here, as if
you're moving toward a conclusion, or tying to trap me in some way.
Could we get to the point please?
Thanks,
frank
On November 25, 2015 11:08:57 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
Which are our closest living ancestors or perhaps those most like us?
Alan C
-----Original Message-----
From: knarf
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 4:57 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
I'm not sure exactly what you mean, however humans are animals, great
apes
to be exact, and like every other animal on the face of the earth, we
have
evolved from ancestors to our current form.
Cheers,
frank
On November 25, 2015 9:41:37 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
Do you consider humans to be part of the evolutionary scale?
Alan C
-----Original Message-----
From: knarf
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 2:28 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
We were talking about protesters and anti-fur, but you correctly
surmise
that I am sympathetic to their cause. And yes, many of the protesters
we met
on Sunday are vegans, some of whom we've met at vegan events.
We've discussed my dietary veganism before, and while there are no
"rules",
ethical vegans normally take the position that it is wrong to exploit
animals. For that reason we do not knowingly consume animal products,
and
that extends beyond diet. I do not want to use any product that came
from an
animal: that includes leather, wool, silk, etc. It gets tricky
because
some
glues have animal products. Some beer has fish - derived isinglas (a
foaming agent). Sometimes one really has to research to make sure
they
are
not unwittingly exploiting animals.
As for my shoes, I mostly wear canvas running shoes (Converse Chuck
Taylor's
to be exact) and my dress shoes are synthetic that have the look (but
not
cruelty) of leather.
Thanks for asking.
And by "native" we were referring to North America's First Nations
people ,
the descendants of those who greeted the first Europeans when they
arrived
here. We used to call them "Indians" because many early explorers
were
geographically challenged. That term is no longer used as we now
reserve it
for those who are actually from the country India.
Cheers,
frank
On November 25, 2015 2:36:11 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
What about your leather shoes? And what is a native?
Alan C
-----Original Message-----
From: knarf
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 7:49 AM
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Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
You said "no store sells fur". I found one that does. I didn't say
Holt
Renfrew in Toronto sells wolf coats. I was making answer to a very
specific
statement you made.
That being said, most wolf fur sold is ~not~ for coats, it's trim.
There's
every possibility that there are coats in Holt's with wolf trim. And
even if
there isn't, they do sell fur. That's what the protest was generally
about,
the sale of any fur. Their placards educated about the fur industry
as
a
whole, including coyote fur, which is far more commonly sold.
Why are you getting so hung up on details? Does that diminish the
protest
for you in some way, if you feel can find a few inaccuracies or
inconsistencies?
By the way, kudos on playing the "traditional Native lifestyle"
card!
Now if
we really gave a crap about their lifestyle we'd enforce broken
treaties and
give back stolen lands.
BTW most fur isn't trapped by natives. Or from North America. Or
even
trapped. The vast majority of pelts sold are from European and Asian
fur
farms. Just so you know...
Cheers,
frank
On November 25, 2015 12:09:49 AM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola"
<danmaty...@gmail.com> wrote:
They were protesting a store, Frank. What does this site have to
do
with the store they were protesting -- or any of the legitimate
stores
that PETA demonstrates against?
Quite frankly, there will always be wolves and other species that
can
be hunted and used under certain circumstances, especially by
native
peoples, Preserving their traditional life style is more
important.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 10:44 PM, knarf <knarftheria...@gmail.com>
wrote:
http://www.peterpalms.com/wolf/
Probably made up by some PETA looney to discredit the fur
industry...
Cheers,
frank
On November 24, 2015 10:33:59 PM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola"
<danmaty...@gmail.com> wrote:
No store sells wolf fur. Pure propaganda.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:36 PM, John <sesso...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
I think that's wolf fur.
On 11/23/2015 11:47 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
Children are dying of malnutrition; they protest about
rodents.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 7:43 PM, frank theriault
<knarftheria...@gmail.com> wrote:
As we walked downtown yesterday we saw a bunch of police cars
in
front
of Holt's, a very upscale department store. An animal rights
group
was
protesting fur in general, but also the fact that Holt's
sells
it:
I'll likely have a gallery later in the week, but until then,
this
kind of sums it up:
http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/the-protestor.html
Fur trim on parkas and coats is unfortunately seeing a
resurgence
around these parts. I'll keep political thoughts to myself.
Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
cheers,
frank
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