I don't understand your question. We don't have any "living ancestors" in evolutionary terms.
As I said earlier, we're great apes, so genetically we're close to chimps, bonobos, gorillas and orangutans. But they aren't ancestors or somehow "below" us. We share a common ancestor and each species has evolved differently to where we are today. I have to say, I rather feel as if I'm being cross-examined here, as if you're moving toward a conclusion, or tying to trap me in some way. Could we get to the point please? Thanks, frank On November 25, 2015 11:08:57 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote: >Which are our closest living ancestors or perhaps those most like us? > >Alan C > >-----Original Message----- >From: knarf >Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 4:57 PM >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor > >I'm not sure exactly what you mean, however humans are animals, great >apes >to be exact, and like every other animal on the face of the earth, we >have >evolved from ancestors to our current form. > >Cheers, > >frank > > > >On November 25, 2015 9:41:37 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote: >>Do you consider humans to be part of the evolutionary scale? >> >>Alan C >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: knarf >>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 2:28 PM >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >> >>We were talking about protesters and anti-fur, but you correctly >>surmise >>that I am sympathetic to their cause. And yes, many of the protesters >>we met >>on Sunday are vegans, some of whom we've met at vegan events. >> >>We've discussed my dietary veganism before, and while there are no >>"rules", >>ethical vegans normally take the position that it is wrong to exploit >>animals. For that reason we do not knowingly consume animal products, >>and >>that extends beyond diet. I do not want to use any product that came >>from an >>animal: that includes leather, wool, silk, etc. It gets tricky because >>some >>glues have animal products. Some beer has fish - derived isinglas (a >>foaming agent). Sometimes one really has to research to make sure they >>are >>not unwittingly exploiting animals. >> >>As for my shoes, I mostly wear canvas running shoes (Converse Chuck >>Taylor's >>to be exact) and my dress shoes are synthetic that have the look (but >>not >>cruelty) of leather. >> >>Thanks for asking. >> >>And by "native" we were referring to North America's First Nations >>people , >>the descendants of those who greeted the first Europeans when they >>arrived >>here. We used to call them "Indians" because many early explorers were >>geographically challenged. That term is no longer used as we now >>reserve it >>for those who are actually from the country India. >> >>Cheers, >> >>frank >> >>On November 25, 2015 2:36:11 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote: >>>What about your leather shoes? And what is a native? >>> >>>Alan C >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: knarf >>>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 7:49 AM >>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>> >>>You said "no store sells fur". I found one that does. I didn't say >>Holt >>> >>>Renfrew in Toronto sells wolf coats. I was making answer to a very >>>specific >>>statement you made. >>> >>>That being said, most wolf fur sold is ~not~ for coats, it's trim. >>>There's >>>every possibility that there are coats in Holt's with wolf trim. And >>>even if >>>there isn't, they do sell fur. That's what the protest was generally >>>about, >>>the sale of any fur. Their placards educated about the fur industry >as >>>a >>>whole, including coyote fur, which is far more commonly sold. >>> >>>Why are you getting so hung up on details? Does that diminish the >>>protest >>>for you in some way, if you feel can find a few inaccuracies or >>>inconsistencies? >>> >>>By the way, kudos on playing the "traditional Native lifestyle" card! >>>Now if >>>we really gave a crap about their lifestyle we'd enforce broken >>>treaties and >>>give back stolen lands. >>> >>>BTW most fur isn't trapped by natives. Or from North America. Or even >>>trapped. The vast majority of pelts sold are from European and Asian >>>fur >>>farms. Just so you know... >>> >>> >>>Cheers, >>> >>>frank >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On November 25, 2015 12:09:49 AM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola" >>><danmaty...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>They were protesting a store, Frank. What does this site have to do >>>>with the store they were protesting -- or any of the legitimate >>stores >>>>that PETA demonstrates against? >>>> >>>>Quite frankly, there will always be wolves and other species that >can >>>>be hunted and used under certain circumstances, especially by native >>>>peoples, Preserving their traditional life style is more important. >>>>Dan Matyola >>>>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>>> >>>> >>>>On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 10:44 PM, knarf <knarftheria...@gmail.com> >>>>wrote: >>>>> http://www.peterpalms.com/wolf/ >>>>> >>>>> Probably made up by some PETA looney to discredit the fur >>>industry... >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> frank >>>>> >>>>> On November 24, 2015 10:33:59 PM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola" >>>><danmaty...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>No store sells wolf fur. Pure propaganda. >>>>>> >>>>>>Dan Matyola >>>>>>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:36 PM, John <sesso...@earthlink.net> >>>wrote: >>>>>>> I think that's wolf fur. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11/23/2015 11:47 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Children are dying of malnutrition; they protest about >rodents. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dan Matyola >>>>>>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 7:43 PM, frank theriault >>>>>>>> <knarftheria...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As we walked downtown yesterday we saw a bunch of police cars >>in >>>>>>front >>>>>>>>> of Holt's, a very upscale department store. An animal rights >>>>group >>>>>>was >>>>>>>>> protesting fur in general, but also the fact that Holt's sells >>>>it: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'll likely have a gallery later in the week, but until then, >>>>this >>>>>>>>> kind of sums it up: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/the-protestor.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Fur trim on parkas and coats is unfortunately seeing a >>>resurgence >>>>>>>>> around these parts. I'll keep political thoughts to myself. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> cheers, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> frank >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Science - Questions we may never find answers for. >>>>>>> Religion - Answers we must never question. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly >>above >>>>>>and >>>>>>> follow the directions. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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