It's very refreshing, caffeine free & full of antioxidants. I must say
it is an acquired taste, especially if you're accustomed to Ceylon.
Blends with other herbs are available too. I drink a Rooibos/Buchu
blend. Some people like it iced.
Alan C
-----Original Message----- From: Bob W
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 6:31 PM
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
Subject: RE: PESO - The Protestor
Not too keen on rooibos tea, but in the interests of cultural harmony
I'll
take a sip.
That 70% figure is not the figure that orthodox science quotes:
<
http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/permanent-exhibitions/human-origins-and-cult
ural-halls/Anne-and-Bernard-Spitzer-Hall-of-Human-Origins/understanding-our-
past/dna-comparing-humans-and-chimps>
70% seems to be a number that some people have latched onto to try and
show
that there hasn't been enough time for evolution to do its dirty work.
It's
rather a bizarre thing to do because they seem to be trying to have their
cake and eat it. In order to make the argument they have to accept that
evolution works in a certain way and then show that some relatively
unimportant facts (70% versus 98.whatever %) mean the whole theory is
wrong.
B
-----Original Message-----
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Alan C
Sent: Thursday, 26 November, 2015 12:59 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net>
Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
Sorry, I didn't realize. O.K. - you can have a nice cup of Rooibos tea
instead.
It look as if DNA studies will be the key. Chimps, Bonobos & Humans
share
about 70% of their DNA. There are variations between human population
groups too but there is an incredible web of interbreeding & migration
still to
be unravelled. Those who think the Neanderthals became extinct have
it all
wrong - just look at the front rows of rugby scrums!
Alan C
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob W-PDML
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 2:19 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
That won't do my gout any good.
B
> On 26 Nov 2015, at 12:02, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
>
> Cheddarmelt steak, two eggs, mopane worms & chips fried in lard.
>
> Alan C
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Bob W
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 12:43 PM
> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
> Subject: RE: PESO - The Protestor
>
> I'm not as strong-willed as Frank, so I don't mind answering this
> because I'm curious to see where it's going.
>
> Humans are most closely related to common chimps and to bonobos. Since
> common chimps and bonobos diverged after humans diverged we are
> equally closely related to both.
>
> Jared Diamond wrote an excellent book called The Rise and Fall of the
> Third Chimpanzee in which he argues for the rights of the (other)
> great apes, and talks about the closeness of humans and chimps. It's
> quite an old book now so some of the human ancestry stuff is probably
> outdated, but it is still an excellent read.
>
> The question of the most recent common ancestor of humans and chimps
> does not seem to have been settled yet. There are several candidates,
> but discoveries seem to happen so often that before the ink is dry on
> the latest paper someone announces another candidate.
>
> I don't think there's any reason to suppose we'll ever identify The
One.
> There seems to have been a very complex and rapid set of speciations
> happening around the estimated time of the split. Even if fossils are
> found of The One it may be difficult to prove among all the other
> candidates, but we'll probably have a reasonably accurate idea of the
> type of creature it was.
>
> The current candidates include Orrorin tugenensis from Kenya, and
> Sahelanthropus tchadensis, but there are so many different theories
> that somebody like me who just follows the subject from a distance
> would be unwise to say 'this is the one'. Having watched from the
> sidelines for about
> 40 years and seen so many apparently strong candidates sidelined I
> wouldn't even hazard a guess.
>
> Can I have my surprise now?
>
> B
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Alan C
>> Sent: Thursday, 26 November, 2015 5:06 AM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net>
>> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
>>
>> Go on, I dare you, be a devil. Do some research. You may be surprised
>> what you find.
>>
>> Alan C
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: knarf
>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 6:52 AM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
>>
>> I have no idea which other great ape is "closest" to humans. I
>> suppose it would be either chimps or bonobos but that's just a
>> non-scientific
> feeling.
>> My opinion really doesn't mean much.
>>
>> Whoever the common ancestor of the great apes was, is not a matter of
>> opinion. However I have no idea who that might be. Paleontology is
>> not an area that I have much expertise, or for that matter, interest
in.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> frank
>>
>> On November 25, 2015 10:40:52 PM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
>> >You're right. Perhaps "living cousins" would have been better.
>> >"Genetically
>> >we're close to chimps, bonobos, gorillas and orangutans" - which, in
>> >your opinion is closest to humans? Do you have an opinion as to who
>> >the common ancestor may have been. "I have to say, I rather feel as
>> >if I'm being cross-examined here, as if you're moving toward a
>> >conclusion, or tying to trap me in some way" - not really, I'm
>> >trying to establish a common base so we can further our discourse.
>> >
>> >Alan C
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: knarf
>> >Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:10 PM
>> >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> >Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
>> >
>> >I don't understand your question. We don't have any "living
ancestors"
>> >in
>> >evolutionary terms.
>> >
>> >As I said earlier, we're great apes, so genetically we're close to
>> >chimps, bonobos, gorillas and orangutans. But they aren't ancestors
>> >or somehow "below" us. We share a common ancestor and each species
>> >has evolved differently to where we are today.
>> >
>> >I have to say, I rather feel as if I'm being cross-examined here, as
>> >if
>> >
>> >you're moving toward a conclusion, or tying to trap me in some way.
>> >
>> >Could we get to the point please?
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >
>> >frank
>> >
>> >On November 25, 2015 11:08:57 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net>
wrote:
>> >>Which are our closest living ancestors or perhaps those most
like us?
>> >>
>> >>Alan C
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: knarf
>> >>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 4:57 PM
>> >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> >>Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
>> >>
>> >>I'm not sure exactly what you mean, however humans are animals,
>> >>great apes to be exact, and like every other animal on the face of
>> >>the earth, we have evolved from ancestors to our current form.
>> >>
>> >>Cheers,
>> >>
>> >>frank
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>On November 25, 2015 9:41:37 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net>
wrote:
>> >>>Do you consider humans to be part of the evolutionary scale?
>> >>>
>> >>>Alan C
>
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