If you ever get a chance to watch the movie "The God's must be Crazy" you
will see that it was actually a Coke bottle which caused a San family feud.
From Wikipedia: "Xi and his San tribe are "living well off the land" in the
Kalahari Desert. They are happy because of their belief that the gods have
provided plenty of everything, and no one among them has any wants. One day,
a Coca-Cola bottle is thrown out of an aeroplane and falls to Earth
unbroken. Initially, Xi's people suppose this strange artefact is a present
from the gods and find many uses for it. They employ it as a craft tool,
rolling pin, pestle, blow the top to make music, etc. But unlike anything
that they have had before, there is only one glass bottle to go around. With
everyone wanting it at once, they soon find themselves experiencing envy,
anger, and even violence."
Alan C
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob W-PDML
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 7:34 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
A large stone and a termite stick, and even that caused a family feud
B
On 26 Nov 2015, at 17:11, John <sesso...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Don't you want to know if he left us anything in his will?
On 11/26/2015 10:39 AM, knarf wrote:
While I find that subject to be mildly interesting, it's really of no
consequence to me who our common ancestor is. It seems very important
to you. Would you mind telling us why?
Thanks,
frank
On November 26, 2015 10:28:06 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net>
wrote:
Identifying a common ancestor.
Alan C
-----Original Message----- From: knarf Sent: Thursday, November 26,
2015 3:15 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - The
Protestor
The key to what?
Cheers,
frank
On November 26, 2015 7:58:51 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net>
wrote:
Sorry, I didn't realize. O.K. - you can have a nice cup of
Rooibos tea instead.
It look as if DNA studies will be the key. Chimps, Bonobos &
Humans share about 70% of their DNA. There are variations between
human population groups too but there is an incredible web of
interbreeding & migration still to be unravelled. Those who think
the Neanderthals became extinct have it
all
wrong - just look at the front rows of rugby scrums!
Alan C
-----Original Message----- From: Bob W-PDML Sent: Thursday,
November 26, 2015 2:19 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject:
Re: PESO - The Protestor
That won't do my gout any good.
B
On 26 Nov 2015, at 12:02, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
Cheddarmelt steak, two eggs, mopane worms & chips fried in
lard.
Alan C
-----Original Message----- From: Bob W Sent: Thursday, November
26, 2015 12:43 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE:
PESO - The Protestor
I'm not as strong-willed as Frank, so I don't mind answering
this
because
I'm curious to see where it's going.
Humans are most closely related to common chimps and to
bonobos.
Since
common chimps and bonobos diverged after humans diverged we
are
equally
closely related to both.
Jared Diamond wrote an excellent book called The Rise and Fall
of
the
Third Chimpanzee in which he argues for the rights of the
(other) great
apes,
and talks about the closeness of humans and chimps. It's quite
an old
book now
so some of the human ancestry stuff is probably outdated, but
it is
still
an excellent read.
The question of the most recent common ancestor of humans and
chimps
does
not seem to have been settled yet. There are several
candidates, but discoveries seem to happen so often that before
the ink is dry on
the
latest paper someone announces another candidate.
I don't think there's any reason to suppose we'll ever identify
The
One.
There seems to have been a very complex and rapid set of
speciations happening around the estimated time of the split.
Even if fossils
are
found of The One it may be difficult to prove among all the
other
candidates,
but we'll probably have a reasonably accurate idea of the type
of
creature it
was.
The current candidates include Orrorin tugenensis from Kenya,
and Sahelanthropus tchadensis, but there are so many different
theories
that
somebody like me who just follows the subject from a distance
would
be
unwise to say 'this is the one'. Having watched from the
sidelines
for
about 40 years and seen so many apparently strong candidates
sidelined I wouldn't even hazard a guess.
Can I have my surprise now?
B
-----Original Message----- From: PDML
[mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Alan C Sent:
Thursday, 26 November, 2015 5:06 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail
List <pdml@pdml.net> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
Go on, I dare you, be a devil. Do some research. You may be
surprised
what you find.
Alan C
-----Original Message----- From: knarf Sent: Thursday,
November 26, 2015 6:52 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
I have no idea which other great ape is "closest" to humans.
I
suppose it
would be either chimps or bonobos but that's just a
non-scientific
feeling.
My opinion really doesn't mean much.
Whoever the common ancestor of the great apes was, is not a
matter
of
opinion. However I have no idea who that might be.
Paleontology is
not an
area that I have much expertise, or for that matter, interest
in.
Cheers,
frank
On November 25, 2015 10:40:52 PM EST, Alan C
<c...@lantic.net>
wrote:
You're right. Perhaps "living cousins" would have been
better. "Genetically we're close to chimps, bonobos,
gorillas and orangutans" - which,
in
your opinion is closest to humans? Do you have an opinion
as to
who
the
common ancestor may have been. "I have to say, I rather
feel as if
I'm
being cross-examined here, as if you're moving toward a
conclusion,
or
tying to trap me in some way" - not really, I'm trying to
establish
a
common base so we can further our discourse.
Alan C
-----Original Message----- From: knarf Sent: Wednesday,
November 25, 2015 10:10 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
I don't understand your question. We don't have any
"living
ancestors"
in evolutionary terms.
As I said earlier, we're great apes, so genetically we're
close to chimps, bonobos, gorillas and orangutans. But they
aren't
ancestors
or
somehow "below" us. We share a common ancestor and each
species
has
evolved differently to where we are today.
I have to say, I rather feel as if I'm being cross-examined
here,
as if
you're moving toward a conclusion, or tying to trap me in
some
way.
Could we get to the point please?
Thanks,
frank
On November 25, 2015 11:08:57 AM EST, Alan C
<c...@lantic.net>
wrote:
Which are our closest living ancestors or perhaps those
most like
us?
Alan C
-----Original Message----- From: knarf Sent: Wednesday,
November 25, 2015 4:57 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
I'm not sure exactly what you mean, however humans are
animals,
great
apes to be exact, and like every other animal on the face
of the earth, we have evolved from ancestors to our
current form.
Cheers,
frank
On November 25, 2015 9:41:37 AM EST, Alan C
<c...@lantic.net>
wrote:
Do you consider humans to be part of the evolutionary
scale?
Alan C
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