I've never even been mildly interested in my family tree. "Yawn" J
Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 26, 2015, at 7:39 AM, knarf <knarftheria...@gmail.com> wrote: > > While I find that subject to be mildly interesting, it's really of no > consequence to me who our common ancestor is. It seems very important to you. > Would you mind telling us why? > > Thanks, > > frank > >> On November 26, 2015 10:28:06 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote: >> Identifying a common ancestor. >> >> Alan C >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: knarf >> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 3:15 PM >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >> >> The key to what? >> >> Cheers, >> >> frank >> >>> On November 26, 2015 7:58:51 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote: >>> Sorry, I didn't realize. O.K. - you can have a nice cup of Rooibos tea >>> instead. >>> >>> It look as if DNA studies will be the key. Chimps, Bonobos & Humans >>> share >>> about 70% of their DNA. There are variations between human population >>> groups >>> too but there is an incredible web of interbreeding & migration still >>> to be >>> unravelled. Those who think the Neanderthals became extinct have it >> all >>> >>> wrong - just look at the front rows of rugby scrums! >>> >>> Alan C >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Bob W-PDML >>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 2:19 PM >>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>> >>> That won't do my gout any good. >>> >>> B >>> >>>> On 26 Nov 2015, at 12:02, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Cheddarmelt steak, two eggs, mopane worms & chips fried in lard. >>>> >>>> Alan C >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bob W >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 12:43 PM >>>> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' >>>> Subject: RE: PESO - The Protestor >>>> >>>> I'm not as strong-willed as Frank, so I don't mind answering this >>> because >>>> I'm curious to see where it's going. >>>> >>>> Humans are most closely related to common chimps and to bonobos. >>> Since >>>> common chimps and bonobos diverged after humans diverged we are >>> equally >>>> closely related to both. >>>> >>>> Jared Diamond wrote an excellent book called The Rise and Fall of >> the >>> >>>> Third >>>> Chimpanzee in which he argues for the rights of the (other) great >>> apes, >>>> and >>>> talks about the closeness of humans and chimps. It's quite an old >>> book now >>>> so some of the human ancestry stuff is probably outdated, but it is >>> still >>>> an >>>> excellent read. >>>> >>>> The question of the most recent common ancestor of humans and chimps >>> does >>>> not seem to have been settled yet. There are several candidates, but >>>> discoveries seem to happen so often that before the ink is dry on >> the >>> >>>> latest >>>> paper someone announces another candidate. >>>> >>>> I don't think there's any reason to suppose we'll ever identify The >>> One. >>>> There seems to have been a very complex and rapid set of speciations >>>> happening around the estimated time of the split. Even if fossils >> are >>> >>>> found >>>> of The One it may be difficult to prove among all the other >>> candidates, >>>> but >>>> we'll probably have a reasonably accurate idea of the type of >>> creature it >>>> was. >>>> >>>> The current candidates include Orrorin tugenensis from Kenya, and >>>> Sahelanthropus tchadensis, but there are so many different theories >>> that >>>> somebody like me who just follows the subject from a distance would >>> be >>>> unwise to say 'this is the one'. Having watched from the sidelines >>> for >>>> about >>>> 40 years and seen so many apparently strong candidates sidelined I >>>> wouldn't >>>> even hazard a guess. >>>> >>>> Can I have my surprise now? >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Alan C >>>>> Sent: Thursday, 26 November, 2015 5:06 AM >>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> >>>>> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>>>> >>>>> Go on, I dare you, be a devil. Do some research. You may be >>> surprised >>>>> what >>>>> you find. >>>>> >>>>> Alan C >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: knarf >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 6:52 AM >>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>>>> >>>>> I have no idea which other great ape is "closest" to humans. I >>> suppose it >>>>> would be either chimps or bonobos but that's just a non-scientific >>>> feeling. >>>>> My opinion really doesn't mean much. >>>>> >>>>> Whoever the common ancestor of the great apes was, is not a matter >>> of >>>>> opinion. However I have no idea who that might be. Paleontology is >>> not an >>>>> area that I have much expertise, or for that matter, interest in. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> frank >>>>> >>>>> On November 25, 2015 10:40:52 PM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> >>> wrote: >>>>>> You're right. Perhaps "living cousins" would have been better. >>>>>> "Genetically >>>>>> we're close to chimps, bonobos, gorillas and orangutans" - which, >>> in >>>>>> your opinion is closest to humans? Do you have an opinion as to >> who >>> the >>>>>> common ancestor may have been. "I have to say, I rather feel as if >>> I'm >>>>>> being cross-examined here, as if you're moving toward a >> conclusion, >>> or >>>>>> tying to trap me in some way" - not really, I'm trying to >> establish >>> a >>>>>> common base so we can further our discourse. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alan C >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: knarf >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:10 PM >>>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't understand your question. We don't have any "living >>> ancestors" >>>>>> in >>>>>> evolutionary terms. >>>>>> >>>>>> As I said earlier, we're great apes, so genetically we're close to >>>>>> chimps, bonobos, gorillas and orangutans. But they aren't >> ancestors >>> or >>>>>> somehow "below" us. We share a common ancestor and each species >> has >>>>>> evolved differently to where we are today. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have to say, I rather feel as if I'm being cross-examined here, >>> as if >>>>>> >>>>>> you're moving toward a conclusion, or tying to trap me in some >> way. >>>>>> >>>>>> Could we get to the point please? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> frank >>>>>> >>>>>> On November 25, 2015 11:08:57 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> >>> wrote: >>>>>>> Which are our closest living ancestors or perhaps those most like >>> us? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alan C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: knarf >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 4:57 PM >>>>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not sure exactly what you mean, however humans are animals, >>> great >>>>>>> apes to be exact, and like every other animal on the face of the >>>>>>> earth, we have evolved from ancestors to our current form. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> frank >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On November 25, 2015 9:41:37 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Do you consider humans to be part of the evolutionary scale? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alan C >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>> and >>>> follow the directions. >>>> >>>> --- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>> and >>>> follow the directions. > > -- > > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson > > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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