Caffeine free? What's the point then? It's like alcohol free beer...
LOL cheers, frank On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote: > It's very refreshing, caffeine free & full of antioxidants. I must say it is > an acquired taste, especially if you're accustomed to Ceylon. Blends with > other herbs are available too. I drink a Rooibos/Buchu blend. Some people > like it iced. > > Alan C > > -----Original Message----- From: Bob W > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 6:31 PM > > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' > Subject: RE: PESO - The Protestor > > Not too keen on rooibos tea, but in the interests of cultural harmony I'll > take a sip. > > That 70% figure is not the figure that orthodox science quotes: > < > http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/permanent-exhibitions/human-origins-and-cult > ural-halls/Anne-and-Bernard-Spitzer-Hall-of-Human-Origins/understanding-our- > past/dna-comparing-humans-and-chimps> > > 70% seems to be a number that some people have latched onto to try and show > that there hasn't been enough time for evolution to do its dirty work. It's > rather a bizarre thing to do because they seem to be trying to have their > cake and eat it. In order to make the argument they have to accept that > evolution works in a certain way and then show that some relatively > unimportant facts (70% versus 98.whatever %) mean the whole theory is wrong. > > B > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Alan C >> Sent: Thursday, 26 November, 2015 12:59 PM >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> >> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >> >> Sorry, I didn't realize. O.K. - you can have a nice cup of Rooibos tea > > instead. >> >> >> It look as if DNA studies will be the key. Chimps, Bonobos & Humans share >> about 70% of their DNA. There are variations between human population >> groups too but there is an incredible web of interbreeding & migration > > still to >> >> be unravelled. Those who think the Neanderthals became extinct have it all >> wrong - just look at the front rows of rugby scrums! >> >> Alan C >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob W-PDML >> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 2:19 PM >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >> >> That won't do my gout any good. >> >> B >> >> > On 26 Nov 2015, at 12:02, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote: >> > >> > Cheddarmelt steak, two eggs, mopane worms & chips fried in lard. >> > >> > Alan C >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- From: Bob W >> > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 12:43 PM >> > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' >> > Subject: RE: PESO - The Protestor >> > >> > I'm not as strong-willed as Frank, so I don't mind answering this >> > because I'm curious to see where it's going. >> > >> > Humans are most closely related to common chimps and to bonobos. Since >> > common chimps and bonobos diverged after humans diverged we are >> > equally closely related to both. >> > >> > Jared Diamond wrote an excellent book called The Rise and Fall of the >> > Third Chimpanzee in which he argues for the rights of the (other) >> > great apes, and talks about the closeness of humans and chimps. It's >> > quite an old book now so some of the human ancestry stuff is probably >> > outdated, but it is still an excellent read. >> > >> > The question of the most recent common ancestor of humans and chimps >> > does not seem to have been settled yet. There are several candidates, >> > but discoveries seem to happen so often that before the ink is dry on >> > the latest paper someone announces another candidate. >> > >> > I don't think there's any reason to suppose we'll ever identify The One. >> > There seems to have been a very complex and rapid set of speciations >> > happening around the estimated time of the split. Even if fossils are >> > found of The One it may be difficult to prove among all the other >> > candidates, but we'll probably have a reasonably accurate idea of the >> > type of creature it was. >> > >> > The current candidates include Orrorin tugenensis from Kenya, and >> > Sahelanthropus tchadensis, but there are so many different theories >> > that somebody like me who just follows the subject from a distance >> > would be unwise to say 'this is the one'. Having watched from the >> > sidelines for about >> > 40 years and seen so many apparently strong candidates sidelined I >> > wouldn't even hazard a guess. >> > >> > Can I have my surprise now? >> > >> > B >> > >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Alan C >> >> Sent: Thursday, 26 November, 2015 5:06 AM >> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> >> >> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >> >> >> >> Go on, I dare you, be a devil. Do some research. You may be surprised >> >> what you find. >> >> >> >> Alan C >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: knarf >> >> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 6:52 AM >> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> >> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >> >> >> >> I have no idea which other great ape is "closest" to humans. I >> >> suppose it would be either chimps or bonobos but that's just a >> >> non-scientific >> > feeling. >> >> My opinion really doesn't mean much. >> >> >> >> Whoever the common ancestor of the great apes was, is not a matter of >> >> opinion. However I have no idea who that might be. Paleontology is >> >> not an area that I have much expertise, or for that matter, interest > > in. >> >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> frank >> >> >> >> On November 25, 2015 10:40:52 PM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote: >> >> >You're right. Perhaps "living cousins" would have been better. >> >> >"Genetically >> >> >we're close to chimps, bonobos, gorillas and orangutans" - which, in >> >> >your opinion is closest to humans? Do you have an opinion as to who >> >> >the common ancestor may have been. "I have to say, I rather feel as >> >> >if I'm being cross-examined here, as if you're moving toward a >> >> >conclusion, or tying to trap me in some way" - not really, I'm >> >> >trying to establish a common base so we can further our discourse. >> >> > >> >> >Alan C >> >> > >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >> >From: knarf >> >> >Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:10 PM >> >> >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> >> >Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >> >> > >> >> >I don't understand your question. We don't have any "living ancestors" >> >> >in >> >> >evolutionary terms. >> >> > >> >> >As I said earlier, we're great apes, so genetically we're close to >> >> >chimps, bonobos, gorillas and orangutans. But they aren't ancestors >> >> >or somehow "below" us. We share a common ancestor and each species >> >> >has evolved differently to where we are today. >> >> > >> >> >I have to say, I rather feel as if I'm being cross-examined here, as >> >> >if >> >> > >> >> >you're moving toward a conclusion, or tying to trap me in some way. >> >> > >> >> >Could we get to the point please? >> >> > >> >> >Thanks, >> >> > >> >> >frank >> >> > >> >> >On November 25, 2015 11:08:57 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> >> wrote: >> >> >>Which are our closest living ancestors or perhaps those most like us? >> >> >> >> >> >>Alan C >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >> >>From: knarf >> >> >>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 4:57 PM >> >> >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> >> >>Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >> >> >> >> >> >>I'm not sure exactly what you mean, however humans are animals, >> >> >>great apes to be exact, and like every other animal on the face of >> >> >>the earth, we have evolved from ancestors to our current form. >> >> >> >> >> >>Cheers, >> >> >> >> >> >>frank >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>On November 25, 2015 9:41:37 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> >> wrote: >> >> >>>Do you consider humans to be part of the evolutionary scale? >> >> >>> >> >> >>>Alan C >> > >> > >> > -- >> > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> > PDML@pdml.net >> > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> > follow the directions. >> > >> > --- >> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> > >> > >> > -- >> > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> > PDML@pdml.net >> > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> > follow the directions. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
