The key to what? Cheers,
frank On November 26, 2015 7:58:51 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote: >Sorry, I didn't realize. O.K. - you can have a nice cup of Rooibos tea >instead. > >It look as if DNA studies will be the key. Chimps, Bonobos & Humans >share >about 70% of their DNA. There are variations between human population >groups >too but there is an incredible web of interbreeding & migration still >to be >unravelled. Those who think the Neanderthals became extinct have it all > >wrong - just look at the front rows of rugby scrums! > >Alan C > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bob W-PDML >Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 2:19 PM >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor > >That won't do my gout any good. > >B > >> On 26 Nov 2015, at 12:02, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote: >> >> Cheddarmelt steak, two eggs, mopane worms & chips fried in lard. >> >> Alan C >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Bob W >> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 12:43 PM >> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' >> Subject: RE: PESO - The Protestor >> >> I'm not as strong-willed as Frank, so I don't mind answering this >because >> I'm curious to see where it's going. >> >> Humans are most closely related to common chimps and to bonobos. >Since >> common chimps and bonobos diverged after humans diverged we are >equally >> closely related to both. >> >> Jared Diamond wrote an excellent book called The Rise and Fall of the > >> Third >> Chimpanzee in which he argues for the rights of the (other) great >apes, >> and >> talks about the closeness of humans and chimps. It's quite an old >book now >> so some of the human ancestry stuff is probably outdated, but it is >still >> an >> excellent read. >> >> The question of the most recent common ancestor of humans and chimps >does >> not seem to have been settled yet. There are several candidates, but >> discoveries seem to happen so often that before the ink is dry on the > >> latest >> paper someone announces another candidate. >> >> I don't think there's any reason to suppose we'll ever identify The >One. >> There seems to have been a very complex and rapid set of speciations >> happening around the estimated time of the split. Even if fossils are > >> found >> of The One it may be difficult to prove among all the other >candidates, >> but >> we'll probably have a reasonably accurate idea of the type of >creature it >> was. >> >> The current candidates include Orrorin tugenensis from Kenya, and >> Sahelanthropus tchadensis, but there are so many different theories >that >> somebody like me who just follows the subject from a distance would >be >> unwise to say 'this is the one'. Having watched from the sidelines >for >> about >> 40 years and seen so many apparently strong candidates sidelined I >> wouldn't >> even hazard a guess. >> >> Can I have my surprise now? >> >> B >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Alan C >>> Sent: Thursday, 26 November, 2015 5:06 AM >>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> >>> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>> >>> Go on, I dare you, be a devil. Do some research. You may be >surprised >>> what >>> you find. >>> >>> Alan C >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: knarf >>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 6:52 AM >>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>> >>> I have no idea which other great ape is "closest" to humans. I >suppose it >>> would be either chimps or bonobos but that's just a non-scientific >> feeling. >>> My opinion really doesn't mean much. >>> >>> Whoever the common ancestor of the great apes was, is not a matter >of >>> opinion. However I have no idea who that might be. Paleontology is >not an >>> area that I have much expertise, or for that matter, interest in. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> frank >>> >>> On November 25, 2015 10:40:52 PM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> >wrote: >>> >You're right. Perhaps "living cousins" would have been better. >>> >"Genetically >>> >we're close to chimps, bonobos, gorillas and orangutans" - which, >in >>> >your opinion is closest to humans? Do you have an opinion as to who >the >>> >common ancestor may have been. "I have to say, I rather feel as if >I'm >>> >being cross-examined here, as if you're moving toward a conclusion, >or >>> >tying to trap me in some way" - not really, I'm trying to establish >a >>> >common base so we can further our discourse. >>> > >>> >Alan C >>> > >>> >-----Original Message----- >>> >From: knarf >>> >Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:10 PM >>> >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> >Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>> > >>> >I don't understand your question. We don't have any "living >ancestors" >>> >in >>> >evolutionary terms. >>> > >>> >As I said earlier, we're great apes, so genetically we're close to >>> >chimps, bonobos, gorillas and orangutans. But they aren't ancestors >or >>> >somehow "below" us. We share a common ancestor and each species has >>> >evolved differently to where we are today. >>> > >>> >I have to say, I rather feel as if I'm being cross-examined here, >as if >>> > >>> >you're moving toward a conclusion, or tying to trap me in some way. >>> > >>> >Could we get to the point please? >>> > >>> >Thanks, >>> > >>> >frank >>> > >>> >On November 25, 2015 11:08:57 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> >wrote: >>> >>Which are our closest living ancestors or perhaps those most like >us? >>> >> >>> >>Alan C >>> >> >>> >>-----Original Message----- >>> >>From: knarf >>> >>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 4:57 PM >>> >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> >>Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>> >> >>> >>I'm not sure exactly what you mean, however humans are animals, >great >>> >>apes to be exact, and like every other animal on the face of the >>> >>earth, we have evolved from ancestors to our current form. >>> >> >>> >>Cheers, >>> >> >>> >>frank >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>On November 25, 2015 9:41:37 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> >wrote: >>> >>>Do you consider humans to be part of the evolutionary scale? >>> >>> >>> >>>Alan C >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and >> follow the directions. >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and >> follow the directions. -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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