You wouldn't by chance be trying to lead me to the following site: http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/06/following_the_evidence_where_i047161.html
Would you? Or possibly one like it? Just curious. Cheers, frank On November 26, 2015 12:05:55 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote: >Go on, I dare you, be a devil. Do some research. You may be surprised >what >you find. > >Alan C > >-----Original Message----- >From: knarf >Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 6:52 AM >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor > >I have no idea which other great ape is "closest" to humans. I suppose >it >would be either chimps or bonobos but that's just a non-scientific >feeling. >My opinion really doesn't mean much. > >Whoever the common ancestor of the great apes was, is not a matter of >opinion. However I have no idea who that might be. Paleontology is not >an >area that I have much expertise, or for that matter, interest in. > >Cheers, > >frank > >On November 25, 2015 10:40:52 PM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote: >>You're right. Perhaps "living cousins" would have been better. >>"Genetically >>we're close to chimps, bonobos, gorillas and orangutans" - which, in >>your >>opinion is closest to humans? Do you have an opinion as to who the >>common >>ancestor may have been. "I have to say, I rather feel as if I'm being >>cross-examined here, as if you're moving toward a conclusion, or tying >>to >>trap me in some way" - not really, I'm trying to establish a common >>base so >>we can further our discourse. >> >>Alan C >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: knarf >>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:10 PM >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >> >>I don't understand your question. We don't have any "living ancestors" >>in >>evolutionary terms. >> >>As I said earlier, we're great apes, so genetically we're close to >>chimps, >>bonobos, gorillas and orangutans. But they aren't ancestors or somehow >>"below" us. We share a common ancestor and each species has evolved >>differently to where we are today. >> >>I have to say, I rather feel as if I'm being cross-examined here, as >if >> >>you're moving toward a conclusion, or tying to trap me in some way. >> >>Could we get to the point please? >> >>Thanks, >> >>frank >> >>On November 25, 2015 11:08:57 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote: >>>Which are our closest living ancestors or perhaps those most like us? >>> >>>Alan C >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: knarf >>>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 4:57 PM >>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>> >>>I'm not sure exactly what you mean, however humans are animals, great >>>apes >>>to be exact, and like every other animal on the face of the earth, we >>>have >>>evolved from ancestors to our current form. >>> >>>Cheers, >>> >>>frank >>> >>> >>> >>>On November 25, 2015 9:41:37 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote: >>>>Do you consider humans to be part of the evolutionary scale? >>>> >>>>Alan C >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: knarf >>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 2:28 PM >>>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>>> >>>>We were talking about protesters and anti-fur, but you correctly >>>>surmise >>>>that I am sympathetic to their cause. And yes, many of the >protesters >>>>we met >>>>on Sunday are vegans, some of whom we've met at vegan events. >>>> >>>>We've discussed my dietary veganism before, and while there are no >>>>"rules", >>>>ethical vegans normally take the position that it is wrong to >exploit >>>>animals. For that reason we do not knowingly consume animal >products, >>>>and >>>>that extends beyond diet. I do not want to use any product that came >>>>from an >>>>animal: that includes leather, wool, silk, etc. It gets tricky >>because >>>>some >>>>glues have animal products. Some beer has fish - derived isinglas >(a >>>>foaming agent). Sometimes one really has to research to make sure >>they >>>>are >>>>not unwittingly exploiting animals. >>>> >>>>As for my shoes, I mostly wear canvas running shoes (Converse Chuck >>>>Taylor's >>>>to be exact) and my dress shoes are synthetic that have the look >(but >>>>not >>>>cruelty) of leather. >>>> >>>>Thanks for asking. >>>> >>>>And by "native" we were referring to North America's First Nations >>>>people , >>>>the descendants of those who greeted the first Europeans when they >>>>arrived >>>>here. We used to call them "Indians" because many early explorers >>were >>>>geographically challenged. That term is no longer used as we now >>>>reserve it >>>>for those who are actually from the country India. >>>> >>>>Cheers, >>>> >>>>frank >>>> >>>>On November 25, 2015 2:36:11 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote: >>>>>What about your leather shoes? And what is a native? >>>>> >>>>>Alan C >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: knarf >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 7:49 AM >>>>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>>>> >>>>>You said "no store sells fur". I found one that does. I didn't say >>>>Holt >>>>> >>>>>Renfrew in Toronto sells wolf coats. I was making answer to a very >>>>>specific >>>>>statement you made. >>>>> >>>>>That being said, most wolf fur sold is ~not~ for coats, it's trim. >>>>>There's >>>>>every possibility that there are coats in Holt's with wolf trim. >And >>>>>even if >>>>>there isn't, they do sell fur. That's what the protest was >generally >>>>>about, >>>>>the sale of any fur. Their placards educated about the fur industry >>>as >>>>>a >>>>>whole, including coyote fur, which is far more commonly sold. >>>>> >>>>>Why are you getting so hung up on details? Does that diminish the >>>>>protest >>>>>for you in some way, if you feel can find a few inaccuracies or >>>>>inconsistencies? >>>>> >>>>>By the way, kudos on playing the "traditional Native lifestyle" >>card! >>>>>Now if >>>>>we really gave a crap about their lifestyle we'd enforce broken >>>>>treaties and >>>>>give back stolen lands. >>>>> >>>>>BTW most fur isn't trapped by natives. Or from North America. Or >>even >>>>>trapped. The vast majority of pelts sold are from European and >Asian >>>>>fur >>>>>farms. Just so you know... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Cheers, >>>>> >>>>>frank >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On November 25, 2015 12:09:49 AM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola" >>>>><danmaty...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>They were protesting a store, Frank. What does this site have to >>do >>>>>>with the store they were protesting -- or any of the legitimate >>>>stores >>>>>>that PETA demonstrates against? >>>>>> >>>>>>Quite frankly, there will always be wolves and other species that >>>can >>>>>>be hunted and used under certain circumstances, especially by >>native >>>>>>peoples, Preserving their traditional life style is more >>important. >>>>>>Dan Matyola >>>>>>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 10:44 PM, knarf <knarftheria...@gmail.com> >>>>>>wrote: >>>>>>> http://www.peterpalms.com/wolf/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Probably made up by some PETA looney to discredit the fur >>>>>industry... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> frank >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On November 24, 2015 10:33:59 PM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola" >>>>>><danmaty...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>No store sells wolf fur. Pure propaganda. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Dan Matyola >>>>>>>>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:36 PM, John <sesso...@earthlink.net> >>>>>wrote: >>>>>>>>> I think that's wolf fur. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 11/23/2015 11:47 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Children are dying of malnutrition; they protest about >>>rodents. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dan Matyola >>>>>>>>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 7:43 PM, frank theriault >>>>>>>>>> <knarftheria...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As we walked downtown yesterday we saw a bunch of police >cars >>>>in >>>>>>>>front >>>>>>>>>>> of Holt's, a very upscale department store. An animal rights >>>>>>group >>>>>>>>was >>>>>>>>>>> protesting fur in general, but also the fact that Holt's >>sells >>>>>>it: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'll likely have a gallery later in the week, but until >then, >>>>>>this >>>>>>>>>>> kind of sums it up: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/the-protestor.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Fur trim on parkas and coats is unfortunately seeing a >>>>>resurgence >>>>>>>>>>> around these parts. I'll keep political thoughts to myself. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> frank >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Science - Questions we may never find answers for. >>>>>>>>> Religion - Answers we must never question. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly >>>>above >>>>>>>>and >>>>>>>>> follow the directions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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