You wouldn't by chance be trying to lead me to the following site:

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/06/following_the_evidence_where_i047161.html

Would you? Or possibly one like it?

Just curious. 

Cheers,

frank 

On November 26, 2015 12:05:55 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
>Go on, I dare you, be a devil. Do some research. You may be surprised
>what 
>you find.
>
>Alan C
>
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: knarf
>Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 6:52 AM
>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
>
>I have no idea which other great ape is "closest" to humans. I suppose
>it 
>would be either chimps or bonobos but that's just a non-scientific
>feeling. 
>My opinion really doesn't mean much.
>
>Whoever the common ancestor of the great apes was, is not a matter of 
>opinion. However I have no idea who that might be. Paleontology is not
>an 
>area that I have much expertise, or for that matter, interest in.
>
>Cheers,
>
>frank
>
>On November 25, 2015 10:40:52 PM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
>>You're right. Perhaps "living cousins" would have been better.
>>"Genetically
>>we're close to chimps, bonobos, gorillas and orangutans" - which, in
>>your
>>opinion is closest to humans? Do you have an opinion as to who the
>>common
>>ancestor may have been. "I have to say, I rather feel as if I'm being
>>cross-examined here, as if you're moving toward a conclusion, or tying
>>to
>>trap me in some way" - not really, I'm trying to establish a common
>>base so
>>we can further our discourse.
>>
>>Alan C
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: knarf
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:10 PM
>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
>>
>>I don't understand your question. We don't have any "living ancestors"
>>in
>>evolutionary terms.
>>
>>As I said earlier, we're great apes, so genetically we're close to
>>chimps,
>>bonobos, gorillas and orangutans. But they aren't ancestors or somehow
>>"below" us. We share a common ancestor and each species has evolved
>>differently to where we are today.
>>
>>I have to say, I rather feel as if I'm being cross-examined here, as
>if
>>
>>you're moving toward a conclusion, or tying to trap me in some way.
>>
>>Could we get to the point please?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>frank
>>
>>On November 25, 2015 11:08:57 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
>>>Which are our closest living ancestors or perhaps those most like us?
>>>
>>>Alan C
>>>
>>>-----Original Message----- 
>>>From: knarf
>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 4:57 PM
>>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>>Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
>>>
>>>I'm not sure exactly what you mean, however humans are animals, great
>>>apes
>>>to be exact, and like every other animal on the face of the earth, we
>>>have
>>>evolved from ancestors to our current form.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>
>>>frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On November 25, 2015 9:41:37 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
>>>>Do you consider humans to be part of the evolutionary scale?
>>>>
>>>>Alan C
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message----- 
>>>>From: knarf
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 2:28 PM
>>>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>>>Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
>>>>
>>>>We were talking about protesters and anti-fur, but you correctly
>>>>surmise
>>>>that I am sympathetic to their cause. And yes, many of the
>protesters
>>>>we met
>>>>on Sunday are vegans, some of whom we've met at vegan events.
>>>>
>>>>We've discussed my dietary veganism before, and while there are no
>>>>"rules",
>>>>ethical vegans normally take the position that it is wrong to
>exploit
>>>>animals. For that reason we do not knowingly consume animal
>products,
>>>>and
>>>>that extends beyond diet. I do not want to use any product that came
>>>>from an
>>>>animal: that includes leather, wool, silk, etc. It gets tricky
>>because
>>>>some
>>>>glues have animal products. Some beer has fish - derived isinglas 
>(a
>>>>foaming agent). Sometimes one really has to research to make sure
>>they
>>>>are
>>>>not unwittingly exploiting animals.
>>>>
>>>>As for my shoes, I mostly wear canvas running shoes (Converse Chuck
>>>>Taylor's
>>>>to be exact) and my dress shoes are synthetic that have the look
>(but
>>>>not
>>>>cruelty) of leather.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for asking.
>>>>
>>>>And by "native" we were referring to North America's First Nations
>>>>people ,
>>>>the descendants of those who greeted the first Europeans when they
>>>>arrived
>>>>here. We used to call them "Indians" because many early explorers
>>were
>>>>geographically challenged. That term is no longer used as we now
>>>>reserve it
>>>>for those who are actually from the country India.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>frank
>>>>
>>>>On November 25, 2015 2:36:11 AM EST, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
>>>>>What about your leather shoes? And what is a native?
>>>>>
>>>>>Alan C
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message----- 
>>>>>From: knarf
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 7:49 AM
>>>>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>>>>Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
>>>>>
>>>>>You said "no store sells fur". I found one that does. I didn't say
>>>>Holt
>>>>>
>>>>>Renfrew in Toronto sells wolf coats. I was making answer to a very
>>>>>specific
>>>>>statement you made.
>>>>>
>>>>>That being said, most wolf fur sold is ~not~ for coats, it's trim.
>>>>>There's
>>>>>every possibility that there are coats in Holt's with wolf trim.
>And
>>>>>even if
>>>>>there isn't, they do sell fur. That's what the protest was
>generally
>>>>>about,
>>>>>the sale of any fur. Their placards educated about the fur industry
>>>as
>>>>>a
>>>>>whole, including coyote fur, which is far more commonly sold.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why are you getting so hung up on details? Does that diminish the
>>>>>protest
>>>>>for you in some way, if you feel can find a few inaccuracies or
>>>>>inconsistencies?
>>>>>
>>>>>By the way, kudos on playing the "traditional Native lifestyle"
>>card!
>>>>>Now if
>>>>>we really gave a crap about their lifestyle we'd enforce broken
>>>>>treaties and
>>>>>give back stolen lands.
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW most fur isn't trapped by natives. Or from North America. Or
>>even
>>>>>trapped. The vast majority of pelts sold are from European and
>Asian
>>>>>fur
>>>>>farms. Just so you know...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>>frank
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On November 25, 2015 12:09:49 AM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola"
>>>>><danmaty...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>They were protesting a store, Frank.  What does this site have to
>>do
>>>>>>with the store they were protesting -- or any of the legitimate
>>>>stores
>>>>>>that PETA demonstrates against?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Quite frankly, there will always be wolves and other species that
>>>can
>>>>>>be hunted and used under certain circumstances, especially by
>>native
>>>>>>peoples,  Preserving their traditional life style is more
>>important.
>>>>>>Dan Matyola
>>>>>>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 10:44 PM, knarf <knarftheria...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.peterpalms.com/wolf/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Probably made up by some PETA looney to discredit the fur
>>>>>industry...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> frank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On November 24, 2015 10:33:59 PM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola"
>>>>>><danmaty...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>No store sells wolf fur.  Pure propaganda.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dan Matyola
>>>>>>>>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:36 PM, John <sesso...@earthlink.net>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I think that's wolf fur.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/2015 11:47 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Children are dying of malnutrition;  they protest about
>>>rodents.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dan Matyola
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 7:43 PM, frank theriault
>>>>>>>>>> <knarftheria...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As we walked downtown yesterday we saw a bunch of police
>cars
>>>>in
>>>>>>>>front
>>>>>>>>>>> of Holt's, a very upscale department store. An animal rights
>>>>>>group
>>>>>>>>was
>>>>>>>>>>> protesting fur in general, but also the fact that Holt's
>>sells
>>>>>>it:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll likely have a gallery later in the week, but until
>then,
>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>>>> kind of sums it up:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/the-protestor.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Fur trim on parkas and coats is unfortunately seeing a
>>>>>resurgence
>>>>>>>>>>> around these parts. I'll keep political thoughts to myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> frank
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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