Jon,
CP 1. 175 The reality of things consists in their persistent forcing themselves upon our recognition. CP 1.325 In the idea of reality, Secondness is predominant; for the real is that which insists upon forcing its way to recognition as somethingotherthan the mind's creation. This quote comes from your recent reponse to Edwina: CSP: That which any true proposition asserts is real, in the sense of being as it is regardless of what you or I may think about it. (CP 5.432, EP 2:343, 1905) And here we see what the relation is between propositions and reality. In short: Real is that what is independed of individual thought. And it is because of this independence of individual thought that we can talk about the truth of propositions. Or the veracity of a pheneroscopic excercize. Best, Auke > Op 16 juni 2021 om 16:31 schreef Jon Alan Schmidt <jonalanschm...@gmail.com>: > > Auke, Edwina, List: > > > > > AvB: The dynamical object of science is reality. > > > > > > The dynamical object of every true proposition is reality, but as De > Tienne's slide 4 (posted yesterday) hints at the very bottom, phaneroscopists > are "pre-truthists." Again, the subject matter of phaneroscopy is whatever is > or could be present to the mind, including imagination and hallucination. > > > > > AvB: If you were right, the different sciences would be > concerned with different realities. > > > > > > Phaneroscopy is not concerned with the reality of phenomena at all, only > their appearances; that is what differentiates it from metaphysics. It is > also not limited to the study of signs, but examines any and every kind of > phenomenon; that is what differentiates it from semeiotic. > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran > Christianhttp://www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt > -http://twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 7:38 AM Edwina Taborsky < tabor...@primus.ca > mailto:tabor...@primus.ca > wrote: > > > > > > Auke, list > > > > Exactly. Splitting up areas into separate domains might give one > > the feeling of being-in-control, but the dynamic object of science, namely, > > reality - has been lost - within all the unconnected immediate objects > > entrapped in each classification. > > > > Edwina > > > > On Wed 16/06/21 3:54 AM , "Auke van Breemen" > > peirce-l@list.iupui.edu mailto:peirce-l@list.iupui.edu sent: > > > > > > > > > > Jon, > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > It is not just the method of analysis that is different for > > > each science within Peirce's classification, but also the object of > > > study. Phaneroscopy examines whatever is or could be present to the mind. > > > Semeiotic studies only signs and semiosis. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > The dynamical object of science is reality. The branches of > > > the sciences deliver immediate objects of that dynamical object. If you > > > were right, the different sciences would be concerned with different > > > realities. But then, how could an involved branch provide the principles > > > for the next branch? > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Auke > > > > > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu > . > ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to > l...@list.iupui.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the > message and nothing in the body. More at > https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . > ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and > co-managed by him and Ben Udell. >
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