Jon, Instead of consciousness I would prefer awareness or, maybe still better, apperception (in the sense of leibniz) but for the remainder it is a good correction of Gary R's erronous response to Helmut and I think in line with the intention of Helmuts remark.
Auke > Op 21 juni 2021 om 22:24 schreef Jon Alan Schmidt <jonalanschm...@gmail.com>: > > Helmut, Gary R., List: > > I understand primisense/altersense/medisense (c. 1896) or > qualisense/molition/habit-consciousness (1909) to be the 1ns/2ns/3ns of > consciousness, not the 1ns/2ns/3ns of 1ns. As such, they result from the > application of Peirce's three categories to the phenomenon of consciousness > itself. Does that clarify the matter? > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran > Christianhttp://www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt > -http://twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 3:19 PM Gary Richmond < gary.richm...@gmail.com > mailto:gary.richm...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > Helmut, List, > > > > May I ask you, then, why do you think that Peirce posits a > > primisense, altersense, and medisense; why Peirce finds in the phaneron not > > just categorial1ns, but also 2ns and 3ns? Phenomenology is indeed a science > > which deals with phenomena in their 1ns, but it would a very constricted > > science if it restricted itself to primisense. Remember, we are speaking > > here of a science (or, at least a "science egg"), and premisense, > > altersense, and medisense in consideration of the phaneron are, again, > > Peirce's terms. Are you suggesting that he was in error somehow by not > > restricting himself (and us) to primisense? > > > > Best, > > > > Gary R > > > > > > > > “Let everything happen to you > > Beauty and terror > > Just keep going > > No feeling is final” > > ― Rainer Maria Rilke > > > > > > Gary Richmond > > Philosophy and Critical Thinking > > Communication Studies > > LaGuardia College of the City University of New York > > > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 4:07 PM Helmut Raulien < h.raul...@gmx.de > > mailto:h.raul...@gmx.de > wrote: > > > > > > > Gary, List > > > > > > Now I am confused. "already posited", so what? "2ns of 1ns", > > > "3ns of 1ns"? Never heard of such things. Instead: 2ns and 3ns reentered > > > into 1ns, like I wrote. Or do I have a serious error? > > > > > > Best > > > Helmut > > > > > > > > > 21. Juni 2021 um 21:40 Uhr > > > "Gary Richmond" < gary.richm...@gmail.com > > > mailto:gary.richm...@gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Helmut, > > > > > > You wrote: " I was thinking, phaneroscopy is the science of > > > what happens in the primisense." > > > > > > I believe that it has already been posited that primisense > > > (alternatively, qualisense) entails, in the context of phaneroscopy, the > > > 1ns of 1ns, altersense, the 2ns of 1ns, and medisense, the 3ns of 1ns. > > > After all, one discerns phenomenal 'content'/'expression' of not one but > > > of three categories. > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Gary R > > > > > > > > > > > > “Let everything happen to you > > > Beauty and terror > > > Just keep going > > > No feeling is final” > > > ― Rainer Maria Rilke > > > > > > > > > Gary Richmond > > > Philosophy and Critical Thinking > > > Communication Studies > > > LaGuardia College of the City University of New York > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 3:24 PM Helmut Raulien < > > > h.raul...@gmx.de mailto:h.raul...@gmx.de > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > List, > > > > Are primisense, altersense, medisense the categorial > > > > parts of consciousness, or the categories in general, or the three > > > > categorial parts of the/a phaneron? I thought the first > > > > (consciousness). And when phaneroscopy became the topic, I was > > > > thinking, phaneroscopy is the science of what happens in the > > > > primisense. I think, in the primisense not only original qualities > > > > (qualia) appear, but also re-entered memories from the altersense and > > > > thoughts from the medisense, though iconicized, turned into > > > > quasi-qualities, to have a whole picture again, to be further processed > > > > again in altersense and medisense. > > > > > > > > Best > > > > Helmut > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu > . > ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to > l...@list.iupui.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the > message and nothing in the body. More at > https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . > ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and > co-managed by him and Ben Udell. >
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