Gary,
Why consciousness and not awareness or apperception? Those terms seem more adequate for the situation. Auke > Op 21 juni 2021 om 23:05 schreef Gary Richmond <gary.richm...@gmail.com>: > > Jon, Helmut, List, > > Thank you for correcting me, Jon. Yes, 1ns/2ns/3ns of consciousness. My > error. > > What I meant to get across is that Peirce says that phenomenology deals > with phenomena in their 1ns, that the normative sciences (esthetic, ethic, > logic as semeiotic) deals with them in their 2ns, and metaphysics with them > in their 3ns. But no logician, for example, limits himself to 2ns (or 1ns and > 2ns) just because normative science (in the classification of sciences) > relates phenomena to ends, their 2ns. > > > > > 1903 | Harvard Lectures on Pragmatism: Lecture V | CP > 5.121-127 > > > > Normative Science treats of the laws of the relation of phenomena > > to ends; that is, it treats of Phenomena in their Secondness. > > > > > > Similarly, phenomenology: > > > > > > 1903 | Harvard Lectures on Pragmatism: Lecture V | EP 2:196-197; CP > > 5.121-122 > > > > For Phenomenology treats of the universal Qualities of Phenomena in > > their immediate phenomenal character, in themselves as phenomena. It, thus, > > treats of Phenomena in their Firstness. > > > > > > > I apologize for my foolish error, made in haste, rather > > thoughtlessly. > > > > > > > > > Best, > > Gary R > > > > “Let everything happen to you > Beauty and terror > Just keep going > No feeling is final” > ― Rainer Maria Rilke > > > > Gary Richmond > Philosophy and Critical Thinking > Communication Studies > LaGuardia College of the City University of New York > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 4:25 PM Jon Alan Schmidt < > jonalanschm...@gmail.com mailto:jonalanschm...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > Helmut, Gary R., List: > > > > I understand primisense/altersense/medisense (c. 1896) or > > qualisense/molition/habit-consciousness (1909) to be the 1ns/2ns/3ns of > > consciousness, not the 1ns/2ns/3ns of 1ns. As such, they result from the > > application of Peirce's three categories to the phenomenon of consciousness > > itself. Does that clarify the matter? > > > > Regards, > > > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > > Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran > > Christianhttp://www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt > > -http://twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > > > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 3:19 PM Gary Richmond < > > gary.richm...@gmail.com mailto:gary.richm...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > > Helmut, List, > > > > > > May I ask you, then, why do you think that Peirce posits a > > > primisense, altersense, and medisense; why Peirce finds in the phaneron > > > not just categorial1ns, but also 2ns and 3ns? Phenomenology is indeed a > > > science which deals with phenomena in their 1ns, but it would a very > > > constricted science if it restricted itself to primisense. Remember, we > > > are speaking here of a science (or, at least a "science egg"), and > > > premisense, altersense, and medisense in consideration of the phaneron > > > are, again, Peirce's terms. Are you suggesting that he was in error > > > somehow by not restricting himself (and us) to primisense? > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Gary R > > > > > > > > > > > > “Let everything happen to you > > > Beauty and terror > > > Just keep going > > > No feeling is final” > > > ― Rainer Maria Rilke > > > > > > > > > Gary Richmond > > > Philosophy and Critical Thinking > > > Communication Studies > > > LaGuardia College of the City University of New York > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 4:07 PM Helmut Raulien < > > > h.raul...@gmx.de mailto:h.raul...@gmx.de > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Gary, List > > > > > > > > Now I am confused. "already posited", so what? "2ns of > > > > 1ns", "3ns of 1ns"? Never heard of such things. Instead: 2ns and 3ns > > > > reentered into 1ns, like I wrote. Or do I have a serious error? > > > > > > > > Best > > > > Helmut > > > > > > > > > > > > 21. Juni 2021 um 21:40 Uhr > > > > "Gary Richmond" < gary.richm...@gmail.com > > > > mailto:gary.richm...@gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Helmut, > > > > > > > > You wrote: " I was thinking, phaneroscopy is the > > > > science of what happens in the primisense." > > > > > > > > I believe that it has already been posited that > > > > primisense (alternatively, qualisense) entails, in the context of > > > > phaneroscopy, the 1ns of 1ns, altersense, the 2ns of 1ns, and > > > > medisense, the 3ns of 1ns. After all, one discerns phenomenal > > > > 'content'/'expression' of not one but of three categories. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Gary R > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “Let everything happen to you > > > > Beauty and terror > > > > Just keep going > > > > No feeling is final” > > > > ― Rainer Maria Rilke > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary Richmond > > > > Philosophy and Critical Thinking > > > > Communication Studies > > > > LaGuardia College of the City University of New York > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 3:24 PM Helmut Raulien < > > > > h.raul...@gmx.de mailto:h.raul...@gmx.de > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > List, > > > > > Are primisense, altersense, medisense the > > > > > categorial parts of consciousness, or the categories in general, or > > > > > the three categorial parts of the/a phaneron? I thought the first > > > > > (consciousness). And when phaneroscopy became the topic, I was > > > > > thinking, phaneroscopy is the science of what happens in the > > > > > primisense. I think, in the primisense not only original qualities > > > > > (qualia) appear, but also re-entered memories from the altersense and > > > > > thoughts from the medisense, though iconicized, turned into > > > > > quasi-qualities, to have a whole picture again, to be further > > > > > processed again in altersense and medisense. > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > Helmut > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > > ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to > > REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to > > peirce-L@list.iupui.edu mailto:peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . > > ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to > > l...@list.iupui.edu mailto:l...@list.iupui.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in > > the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in the body. 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