Jon, Helmut, List, Thank you for correcting me, Jon. Yes, 1ns/2ns/3ns of *consciousness*. My error.
What I *meant* to get across is that Peirce says that phenomenology deals with phenomena in their 1ns, that the normative sciences (esthetic, ethic, logic as semeiotic) deals with them in their 2ns, and metaphysics with them in their 3ns. But no logician, for example, limits himself to 2ns (or 1ns and 2ns) just because normative science (in the classification of sciences) relates phenomena to ends, their 2ns. 1903 | Harvard Lectures on Pragmatism: Lecture V | CP 5.121-127 Normative Science treats of the laws of the relation of phenomena to ends; that is, it treats of Phenomena in their Secondness. Similarly, phenomenology: 1903 | Harvard Lectures on Pragmatism: Lecture V | EP 2:196-197; CP 5.121-122 For Phenomenology treats of the universal Qualities of Phenomena in their immediate phenomenal character, in themselves as phenomena. It, thus, treats of Phenomena in their Firstness. I apologize for my foolish error, made in haste, rather thoughtlessly. Best, Gary R “Let everything happen to you Beauty and terror Just keep going No feeling is final” ― Rainer Maria Rilke *Gary Richmond* *Philosophy and Critical Thinking* *Communication Studies* *LaGuardia College of the City University of New York* On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 4:25 PM Jon Alan Schmidt <jonalanschm...@gmail.com> wrote: > Helmut, Gary R., List: > > I understand primisense/altersense/medisense (c. 1896) or > qualisense/molition/habit-consciousness (1909) to be the 1ns/2ns/3ns of > consciousness, not the 1ns/2ns/3ns of 1ns. As such, they result from the > application of Peirce's three categories to the phenomenon of consciousness > itself. Does that clarify the matter? > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian > www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 3:19 PM Gary Richmond <gary.richm...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Helmut, List, >> >> May I ask you, then, why do *you *think that Peirce posits a primisense, >> altersense, and medisense; why Peirce finds in the phaneron not just >> categorial1ns, but also 2ns and 3ns? Phenomenology is indeed a science >> which deals with phenomena in their 1ns, but it would a very constricted >> science if it restricted itself to primisense. Remember, we are speaking >> here of a *science* (or, at least a "science egg"), and premisense, >> altersense, and medisense in consideration of the phaneron are, again, >> Peirce's terms. Are you suggesting that *he* was in error somehow by not >> restricting himself (and us) to primisense? >> >> Best, >> >> Gary R >> >> “Let everything happen to you >> Beauty and terror >> Just keep going >> No feeling is final” >> ― Rainer Maria Rilke >> *Gary Richmond* >> *Philosophy and Critical Thinking* >> *Communication Studies* >> *LaGuardia College of the City University of New York* >> >> On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 4:07 PM Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de> wrote: >> >>> Gary, List >>> >>> Now I am confused. "already posited", so what? "2ns of 1ns", "3ns of >>> 1ns"? Never heard of such things. Instead: 2ns and 3ns reentered into 1ns, >>> like I wrote. Or do I have a serious error? >>> >>> Best >>> Helmut >>> 21. Juni 2021 um 21:40 Uhr >>> "Gary Richmond" <gary.richm...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> Helmut, >>> You wrote: "I was thinking, phaneroscopy is the science of what happens >>> in the primisense." >>> >>> I believe that it has already been posited that primisense >>> (alternatively, qualisense) entails, in the context of phaneroscopy, the >>> 1ns of 1ns, altersense, the 2ns of 1ns, and medisense, the 3ns of 1ns. >>> After all, one discerns phenomenal 'content'/'expression' of not one but of >>> three categories. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Gary R >>> “Let everything happen to you >>> Beauty and terror >>> Just keep going >>> No feeling is final” >>> ― Rainer Maria Rilke >>> *Gary Richmond* >>> *Philosophy and Critical Thinking* >>> *Communication Studies* >>> *LaGuardia College of the City University of New York* >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 3:24 PM Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de> wrote: >>> >>>> List, >>>> Are primisense, altersense, medisense the categorial parts of >>>> consciousness, or the categories in general, or the three categorial parts >>>> of the/a phaneron? I thought the first (consciousness). And when >>>> phaneroscopy became the topic, I was thinking, phaneroscopy is the science >>>> of what happens in the primisense. I think, in the primisense not only >>>> original qualities (qualia) appear, but also re-entered memories from the >>>> altersense and thoughts from the medisense, though iconicized, turned into >>>> quasi-qualities, to have a whole picture again, to be further processed >>>> again in altersense and medisense. >>>> >>>> Best >>>> Helmut >>>> >>> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to > peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . > ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to > l...@list.iupui.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the > message and nothing in the body. 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