Jon, Gary, List
Nearly. I thought, primi-, alter-, and medisense apply to consciousness, not only to its phenomenon. Consciousness being the hardware so to say for phenomena (primisense), their reactions with e.g. memories (altersense), and reflection thereabout (medisense). So e.g. the phenomenon of consciousness is a reappearance of medisense´s reflection, re-phenomenized, in the primisense. The three have-been-different kinds of phenomena (in the primisense) are all 1ns, but have a different categorial history, so they need three names. Maybe qualisense, molition, habit-consciousness? molition I donot understand. When I translate it to french and then to german and then back to english, I get mutilation. A bit harsh. And reflection is not exactly the same as habit.
Best
Helmut
21. Juni 2021 um 22:24 Uhr
"Jon Alan Schmidt" <jonalanschm...@gmail.com>
wrote:
"Jon Alan Schmidt" <jonalanschm...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Helmut, Gary R., List:
I understand primisense/altersense/medisense (c. 1896) or qualisense/molition/habit-consciousness (1909) to be the 1ns/2ns/3ns of consciousness, not the 1ns/2ns/3ns of 1ns. As such, they result from the application of Peirce's three categories to the phenomenon of consciousness itself. Does that clarify the matter?
Regards,
Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA
Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian
On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 3:19 PM Gary Richmond <gary.richm...@gmail.com> wrote:
Helmut, List,May I ask you, then, why do you think that Peirce posits a primisense, altersense, and medisense; why Peirce finds in the phaneron not just categorial1ns, but also 2ns and 3ns? Phenomenology is indeed a science which deals with phenomena in their 1ns, but it would a very constricted science if it restricted itself to primisense. Remember, we are speaking here of a science (or, at least a "science egg"), and premisense, altersense, and medisense in consideration of the phaneron are, again, Peirce's terms. Are you suggesting that he was in error somehow by not restricting himself (and us) to primisense?Best,Gary R
“Let everything happen to you
Beauty and terror
Just keep going
No feeling is final”
― Rainer Maria RilkeGary RichmondPhilosophy and Critical ThinkingCommunication StudiesLaGuardia College of the City University of New YorkOn Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 4:07 PM Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de> wrote:Gary, ListNow I am confused. "already posited", so what? "2ns of 1ns", "3ns of 1ns"? Never heard of such things. Instead: 2ns and 3ns reentered into 1ns, like I wrote. Or do I have a serious error?BestHelmutHelmut,You wrote: "I was thinking, phaneroscopy is the science of what happens in the primisense."I believe that it has already been posited that primisense (alternatively, qualisense) entails, in the context of phaneroscopy, the 1ns of 1ns, altersense, the 2ns of 1ns, and medisense, the 3ns of 1ns. After all, one discerns phenomenal 'content'/'_expression_' of not one but of three categories.Best,Gary R
“Let everything happen to you
Beauty and terror
Just keep going
No feeling is final”
― Rainer Maria RilkeGary RichmondPhilosophy and Critical ThinkingCommunication StudiesLaGuardia College of the City University of New YorkOn Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 3:24 PM Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de> wrote:List,Are primisense, altersense, medisense the categorial parts of consciousness, or the categories in general, or the three categorial parts of the/a phaneron? I thought the first (consciousness). And when phaneroscopy became the topic, I was thinking, phaneroscopy is the science of what happens in the primisense. I think, in the primisense not only original qualities (qualia) appear, but also re-entered memories from the altersense and thoughts from the medisense, though iconicized, turned into quasi-qualities, to have a whole picture again, to be further processed again in altersense and medisense.BestHelmut
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