Helmut, List: JAS: These are Peirce's explicitly stated beliefs--mind is primordial, such that matter is a peculiar sort of mind; the psychical law is primordial, such that the physical law is derived and special; and at any assignable date, our universe of existence is evolving from utter chaos in the infinite past toward utter regularity in the infinite future.
HR: Edwina did not say anything other. She just said, that she thinks, that mind did not exist before matter did, and that this view of hers is not contradicting Peirce´s. Again, Peirce's explicitly stated view is that mind and the psychical law are primordial, while matter is a peculiar sort of mind and the physical law is derived and special. Edwina's explicitly stated view is that mind and matter "co-evolved," such that neither is primordial. If the fact that the latter *directly *contradicts the former is not obvious from this juxtaposition, then I honestly do not know what else to say. HR: Are you a theologist doing a religious campain? Not at all, I am simply seeking to present and discuss *Peirce's *cosmology as expressed by his own explicit testimony. I do not necessarily agree with him about every aspect of it myself, but my own views on the subject are irrelevant. HR: I think, you should stop calling Edwina´s view unpeircean. I have *never *called Edwina's view "unpeircean." On the contrary, as I have acknowledged before, she can certainly say that her cosmology is *inspired by* Peirce's, and even claim that her cosmology is *more correct than* Peirce's. What she cannot accurately assert is that her cosmology is *the same as* Peirce's. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 11:54 AM Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de> wrote: > Jon, Edwina, Gary, List, > > Jon, you wrote: > > "These are Peirce's explicitly stated beliefs--mind is primordial, such > that matter is a peculiar sort of mind; the psychical law is primordial, > such that the physical law is derived and special; and at any assignable > date, our universe of existence is evolving from utter chaos in the > infinite past toward utter regularity in the infinite future. Anyone is > free to disagree with him about this, but not to ascribe a different view > to him. The claim that his words on the subject are hopelessly vague and > ambiguous, such that any other "interpretation" of them whatsoever must be > treated as equally valid, is patently absurd." > > Edwina did not say anything other. She just said, that she thinks, that > mind did not exist before matter did, and that this view of hers is not > contradicting Peirce´s. The "utter chaos" you wrote about, is very probably > not matterless either. I cannot imagine a chaos without matter. It is not > possible to tell whether there was mind before matter existed, because all > that might reach our senses is based on interaction of matter. Physicists > admit that they cannot know what was before the big bang. Only theologists > quibble on, but their arguments are not based on the scientific method, but > on belief. Are you a theologist doing a religious campain? I think, you > should stop calling Edwina´s view unpeircean. Mind before matter is the > same topic like God, and Peirce in this context wrote "hypothetical", which > means belief, not scientific method, despite the insertion of the term > "plausibility". "Plausibility" doesn´t have a meaning with the scientific > method. What I find absurd, is leading a theological discussion, trying to > exclude somebody, and therefore harnessing Peirce, who was not a > theologist. I think he would not like that. He believed in God, ok, but > belief among scientists should be regarded as a private affair. Making > belief a dogma is a fundamentalist thing, and fundamentalism to me is > something very nasty and unscientific. > > Best, Helmut >
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