Jerry list I'll answer within what I understand as ‘forms of consciousness’. Again - I don’t know what YOU mean by the phrase.
But in comparison to your view, I’d have to include the processes of memory or habit - even in primisense, which is a first primal awareness of ‘otherness’.- as in a newborn. But consciosuness, I think, has to gradually include even quasi-mind memory or habits [ ie, the development of habits of association of ’that’ input sensation’ with ’that experience'. This enables anticipation. It need not be symbolic of course, since all matter has this capacity to develop habits and thus, anticipate. A first primal awareness or feeling [primisense] would emerge within the experience of an ‘Other’ [ via Altersense]. This experience would have to be semiosic, ie, triadic, or within the operation of the sign triad, I can thus understand your reference to ’tones, tokens, types’ [ which are comparable to 1ns, 2ns, 3ns] and aren’t confined to words - see 1.322, where he discusses a blind person’s experience of ’scarlet colour’. Therefore the question simply comes down to - is primisense or pure feeling totally alienated from habit? I think that a body’s capacity to even experience feeling, requires ‘habit’ - ie - the existence of a stable ground [even if it’s purely and only physiological ..ie hearing, or sight or touch or..]…which ground sensation within the perimeters of ‘habit’. The subsequent ‘awareness’ of this sensation, develops within multiple experiences [altersense].. Edwina > On Jan 20, 2024, at 1:21 AM, Jerry LR Chandler <jerry_lr_chand...@icloud.com> > wrote: > > List: > Edwina: > > Please step back a bit from your professional persona as a scholar. > > Please ask yourself “what do these words mean in terms of my life > experiences?” > > Do you experience “forms of consciousness”? > > How are the forms of personal consciousness you experience related to or > conjoined to your memories? > > Thanks for considering my “off the wall” questions. > > Cheers > Jerry > >> On Jan 19, 2024, at 8:30 AM, Edwina Taborsky <edwina.tabor...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Jerry, list >> >> I’m not sure of your question. I’m quoting Peirce. These terms refer to his >> outline of ‘forms of consciousness’. >> >> And I don’t see what your reference to aphantasia means. >> >> Edwina >> >> >> >>> On Jan 18, 2024, at 10:49 PM, Jerry LR Chandler >>> <jerry_lr_chand...@icloud.com> wrote: >>> >>> List: >>> >>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 3:52 PM, Edwina Taborsky <edwina.tabor...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Peirce’s outline of these forms of consciousness [7.551] of Feeling, >>>> Altersense and Medisense’ or primisense, alter sense, medisense. And, just >>>> as in his outline of the modal categories, these can be subdivided, so to >>>> speak, for ‘primisense’ has only one mode; Altersnese has two modes >>>> [Sensagion and Will]; and Medisense has three modes ‘Abstraction, >>>> Suggestion, Association’. 7.551. >>>> >>>> >>> I am curious about your reasoning here. >>> >>> In particular with regard to those individuals with the genetic deficiency >>> of aphantasia (lack of ability to recall images or mental pictures). >>> >>> Are these terms intended to be “forms” of consciousness? >>> Would perhaps conscious “tones” more like musical notations? >>> Clearly, a basis to related such terms to either “tokens” or “types” seem >>> inappropriate given CSP’s allocation of these terms to words (composed from >>> alphabetic symbols). >>> >>> Alternatively, perhaps I’m not reading your usage of “modal categories” >>> properly…. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Jerry >>> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >>> ARISBE: THE PEIRCE GATEWAY is now at >>> https://cspeirce.com and, just as well, at >>> https://www.cspeirce.com . It'll take a while to repair / update all the >>> links! >>> ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON >>> PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to >>> peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . >>> ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu >>> with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in >>> the body. More at https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . >>> ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and >>> co-managed by him and Ben Udell. >> >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> ARISBE: THE PEIRCE GATEWAY is now at >> https://cspeirce.com and, just as well, at >> https://www.cspeirce.com . It'll take a while to repair / update all the >> links! >> ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON >> PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to >> peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . >> ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu >> with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in >> the body. More at https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . >> ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and >> co-managed by him and Ben Udell. >
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