Edwina, List: ET: I think there is confusion over the nature of the semiosic triad and the nature of the three categories.
Yes, there is confusion evident in just about everything stated in the message below. I will highlight only a few examples. ET: That star is existent as a semiosic triad [O-R-I]; made up of input and output energy, as organized by the mediating laws of physics. This is a triadic semiosic action. No, this is a dyadic dynamical action. According to Peirce, real semiosis cannot be reduced to functional input and output. ET: That sensation you have when touching the flame of the candle - is an experience within your body of 1ns! No, sensation and experience correspond to 2ns. According to Peirce, only the *quality *of a sensation or experience, *prescinded *from that sensation or experience, corresponds to 1ns. ET: The categories refer to how the energy/data/ is organized within an interaction. The semiosic triad refers to how the energy/data is organized in-itself. No, Peirce's categories refer to the irreducible elements of whatever is or could be present to the mind, and his semiosic triad refers to the relation by which a sign mediates between its object and its interpretant. Neither of these have anything to do with "how the energy/data is organized" in a particular physical phenomenon. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 7:59 AM Edwina Taborsky <[email protected]> wrote: > Terry, list > > I think there is confusion over the nature of the semiosic triad and the > nature of the three categories. > > 1] That star is existent as a semiosic triad [O-R-I]; made up of input and > output energy, as organized by the mediating laws of physics. This is a > triadic semiosic action. Then, due to some physical law, it imploded. This > too is a semiosic or triadic action. And I'd say that all three categories > are involved in the functioning of this star - sensation of input of energy > 1ns; reaction/acceptance of this input 2ns, and organizing this energy > according to its physical laws 3ns. > > 2] Of course you can experience 1ns!! That sensation you have when > touching the flame of the candle - is an experience within your body of 1ns! > > 3] The gravity waves of matter are moving through the atmosphere in a > semiosic triadic process; ie, the atmosphere is being affected by the input > of energy, pushing its content around [minute particles - ie, space is not > a vacuum]. this is both 1ns and 2ns..with an output of lesser energy - and > according to the laws of physics 3ns. Again, all three categories are > involved. > > 4] And as you note - these actions certainly affect the stars around - and > within all three categories. After all, each star is a semiosic triad, a > Sign, [O-R-I] and the input of energy from this explosion [received as > first 1ns then 2ns and then 3ns as the input energy is dealt with by the > 3ns laws that operate that star]…. > > 5] Same thing with the human observer - who receives the input sensation > from the star -and using, Robert Marty's outline, I explained it in a > previous post: first the sensation without consciousness of 1ns [1-1-1] ; > then, the awareness..in 2ns..and on to a final analysis within the > mediative 3ns of the human mind. > > 6] My view of the gravity waves, at the instance of their emergence, is > that they were, in themselves, immediately functioning as a semiosic triad, > a 'Sign', following the analysis of Peirce where an Interpretant becomes an > Object of another triad. That is, the Star, already operating as a semiosic > triad [O-R-I]...had, using its mediating laws of physics 3ns, interpreted > its energy content to result in an Interpretant ….a new triad, an explosion > of matter/energy....And - ALL Three categories are operating in this NEW > semiosic triad. And - in answer to your specific question - I'd consider > that all three are immediately operating because even to form the waves, > even to explode, involves 3ns, the laws of physics in this action. > > Again, consider this explosive 'thing', made up of matter/energy - as a > new triadic entity....operating within the relational capacities of O-R-I. > It's no longer a star. We view it as a number of gravity waves of > matter/energy. It has an identity both temporal and spatial - [very spread > out in space!!!] - and is organized according to the laws of physics > [3ns]. These gravity waves are in themselves, a semiosic entity - with all > three categories operating. There's quality, reaction and laws. > > 7] That is - I think that some people are mixing up the functional > identity of the semiosic unit [O-R-I] and the triadic categories. > > The categories refer to how the energy/data/ is organized within an > interaction. The semiosic triad refers to how the energy/data is organized > in-itself. > > Edwina >
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