Sandwichman wrote:
> 
> It's all very well to "connect the crisis to the underlying capitalist
> system." The proof, though, comes in whether one presents a program
> for BOTH responding to the current crisis within the constraints posed
> by that system while at the same time moving beyond those very
> constraints. That is the difference between calling for a program of
> work-time reduction and wool-gathering about the need to replace the
> system.

A difficulty is that a program is just a piece of paper, no different
from wool-gthering about "the system," so long as there is no working
organization (or organizations) to carry it to masses of people. At an
iffier level, for organizations with much energy to arise and attract
cadre/organizers to do the carrying there has to be some sort of
indication that there will be a response to such initiatives. People I
worked with in the '80s have stopped even coming to the occasional
anti-war demo we put on here, let alone monthly meetings, fundamentally
because they simply don't feel it will do any good. That throws gehm
back on wishful thinking about good people being elected to do good
things.

Lenin's WIBTBD, especially the chapters on "sponttaneism," has been
misused for 100 years; the was _assuming_ bursts of spontaneous
reaction. He was attacking organizers simply depending on those bursts
being all that was needed. BUT THEY ARE REALLY NEEDED before we can
gather the people to speak to them through a program.

Carrol

P.S. Programs aren't that hard to generate.

1. Open Borders
2. Twenty Hour Week

3. All military personnel  kept within the 50 states

4. State provided medical care.

5. Federal financing of education, K-12 and above.

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