On 2019-12-06 18:34, Tom Browder wrote:
On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 17:31 ToddAndMargo via perl6-users
<perl6-users@perl.org> wrote:
On 2019-12-06 04:19, Tom Browder wrote:
Todd, arguing via email is almost guaranteed to be fruitless. You need
to learn to use Github and make pull requests (PRs) for the EXACT
changes you think should be made to the docs.
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Hi Tom,
What makes you think I do not know how to use
the bug reporting system?
Todd, a Pull Request is NOT a bug report. YOU get a Github account,
and YOU fork the Raku docs repository and YOU either make changes on
your Github fork via a browser or, better, clone your fork onto your
favorite local host and make desired changes there. Then, when you are
satisfied, you commit your changes, push them to your Github account,
and then submit a Pull Request which lets a member either approve your
changes or suggest something else.
Hi Tom,
I do have a GitHub account and I do occasional use it on
other projects. And a Pull request and an Enhancement
request on a Bagzilla are a difference without a distinction.
Some projects take requests gracefully and some do not.
Raku does not. LibreOffice does not either. Fedora
is wonderful about it.
Here is an example of a LibreOffice request opened by me
years ago. They keep ignoring and ignoring the request
no matter how may people sign on. Commend 45 rips them
to no end.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173#c45
I wish you could get over your aversion to reading what we have in the
docs.
I do read them. If I can get past the IEEE-eese, then
they are useful. Usually, they are so poorly written
that I have to google around or ask elsewhere to find
an answer. They are really bad compared to Perl 5's docs.
For example, one of the first things you should learned, a long
time ago was about the REPL which you just found about today.
REPL is a wonderful tool. I wish I'd learned about it earlier.
The few times Larry Wall has answered some of my questions,
he has used
$ alias p6
alias p6='perl6 -e'
to show me examples. If Larry did it that way, I never thought
of doing it another way.
REPL sure gets you out of quoting hell!
Also, if you would find an IRC client and join channel #raku, you
could ask questions AND try out code online while people are watching.
I am on that too at times. There are several that are on Newbie duty
that are real mensches.
I realize we all don't search for things or learn them the same way,
but goodness knows the folks who have been helping you on this mailing
list have shown great patience in the face of a lot of criticism
without a lot of constructive help from you in return.
My only criticism is the documentations and I stand by that.
Don't let it hurt your feelings. It is not intended too.
The people on this group are wonderful. And when I can I do try to help
other people. Plus I ALWAYS feedback to others
who help me and ALWAYS thank them. As I learn, I will be
able to help more and more. What goes around comes around.
I really dislike it when you help someone and they never
respond back, so you don't know if your were accurate or not.
Before coming to Raku, I started with Perl 5. Their
documentation is wonderful. Their NewGroup is also
very helpful, though much more "course" that this mailing
list.
When I programed in P5, I had a web windows open to their
docs. Very easy to deal with. Not so with P6, but I
am beating a dead horse again.
Chuckle, they are really "grouchy" about Raku. They
think is is Java. (P5's subs are a living nightmare.)
Where I like P5, I ADORE Raku. The very moment I saw
P6's sub declarations, I dropped P5 and forced myself
into P6.
Perl (either) is not my first programming language.
I write in "Top Down" and live and die with modules.
Raku is well written for my way of programming.
I adore it.
Did you see my write up on hashes? JJ caught a booboo.
You catch any?
I am currently working on a module for Windows popups.
I have already posted here my simple Msg substitute.
I will post back when I get it finished. It will be
a while though.
-T
Best regards,
-Tom
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