I don't think it's a duplication (or, as might be the case, triplication) of resources, or a waste of resources. I learned early on that the "resources" of the community is not, as in a company, a pool with a constant value from which you, as in yourself, can draw to push forward your favorite project. On the contrary, it falls on you to try and steer anyone's favorite project in a direction that could help *your* favorite project, and also to prop up your project so that it's open to contributions in a way that don't break or derail it. That's the best you can do. Also, a community with three or four projects in the same direction (documentation or whatever) is a great community; at the end of the day, you can profit from all three, even if it's in a tiny detail or simply on the effort put into implementing a standard. That said, the initial problem still stands: there's no way to make the whole community know something that might be important, such as the doc site dropping from some parts of the internet, or an adoption drive for some community module, really, whatever. Voting for the RSC... And that's got several sub-problems 1. We need to define community. If it's someone with a commit bit in every repo of the 5 (yes 5) Raku organizations, well, that's a tall order. There are myriad teams, some people have a commit bit just in one repo. And then this excludes people who contribute to the community in a different way, from organizing challenges to curating subreddits through answering questions in StackOverflow. 2. Even if you include all and everyone, you need to define what would go into that channel. As in a logging system, you need to define the severity of the issue to make the channel really relevant and actionnable. That, of course, goes against the fact that it needs to be open to everyone, and also interactive. 3. There's no single communication channel that's a) used by everyone and b) accessed by everyone on a hourly, or even daily, basis.
So there's really no solution to your problem, other than try and tell everyone, many times, in different channels, whatever the heck you're interested on, and it will eventually grab the attention of the stakeholders (and don't have me defining stakeholders...). I really appreciate everyone's contributions, I really do. So heartfelt thanks to all :-) Cheers JJ El sáb, 13 mar 2021 a las 23:27, Vadim Belman (<vr...@lflat.org>) escribió: > > I would like to make an important note here. Up to my knowledge, the new > documentation site project is personal initiative of Alexander (Altai-man) > of which nobody of RSC members was informed about. For this reason it is > rather unlikely that any notification would be issued on any official > channel, would such one existed. I personally got to know about it the > moment Alexander posted his request for help on IRC. > > Apparently, the above paragraph doesn't say that we don't need an official > channel of a kind. I was asking a similar question ~1.5yr ago. As it is > with many other matters, this one needed some time to gain momentum. > Perhaps, the time has come to get it answered. > > Concerning the accidental duplication of projects, aside of the fact that > it is dissipation of scarce community resources, the good side is that > there will be two options to choose from. I will be happy to see both > project launched. One could eventually become part of the official site, > the other may be ran independently. One way or another I hope there will be > more gains from it than loses. > > Best regards, > Vadim Belman > > > On Mar 13, 2021, at 2:21 AM, Richard Hainsworth <rnhainswo...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > This is a request to the Raku Coordinating Council that was elected at > the end of last year. > > > > Please name a channel where community wide plans or announcements are > made. Or may be establish one. > > > > I found out yesterday by the intervention of a regular participant in > the community that a new documentation website is being worked on. > > > > I joined a conversation on the raku-dev IRC and discovered that the > plans are quite far established. Since I have been working full-time for > three months on a project that could (not should!!) serve as the > infra-structure of a new site, I was really quite surprised and I am sure > many of you will understand it was jarring. > > > > I follow all the conversations on this email list. I have found it very > difficult (due to my own technical incompetence relating to github) to set > up my github preferences to get regular notification about issues. I have > also found that the IRC chats are streams of consciousness that are > difficult for me to manage. > > > > It seems however, that it is my fault that I was taken by surprise by > the news of a different documentation website and that I should have been > following all the issues on the documentation repo or the problem solving > repo. > > > > It *IS* reasonable for Raku developers and community organisers to make > it the responsibility of a participant to follow conversations, but I would > suggest that the current scattering of conversations, on the IRC chat, > various github repositories, this email list, is not *optimal* for the > development of a coherent Raku community. It is also - I would suggest - a > waste of human resources if the same objectives are pursued by multiple > enthusiasts without any coordination or communication. > > > > If the Raku Council were to designate some channel, whether its an email > list, an IRC chat, or a github repo, or maybe a discord or slack or other > channel as the main community resource, then I would make sure I could read > all the messages there and stay in touch with what is happening. > > > > Hence my request to the Raku council to consider improving communication > between developers and the wider Raku community. > > > > Regards > > > > Richard Hainsworth > > > > aka finanalyst > > > > > > -- JJ
