Another outsider's opinion, for whoever cares. Some relevant info about me: 1. I have interacted directly with Paul M. Jones many times via email and IRC when I was using the Solar framework, and from my (somewhat distant) memory he was very helpful and very intelligent in our exchanges. I don't believe I have interacted directly with anyone else in this group. 2. I've used PHP for years, have heard of PSRs, but prior to seeing this thread, didn't know about PHP-FIG or that Paul was part of the group that created the PSRs.
I saw this thread a few days ago and hesitated to write for several reasons, one of them being: I follow Paul on [social media outlet], and some of his public opinions make me a bit uneasy about publicly defending him. I think he's brilliant programmer, but I find some of his political views to be based on ignorance. That said, despite my strong disagreements with some of his political views, I don't think anyone should be allowed to vote him off [social media outlet]. I don't think he should be excluded from society, or prevented from voting in elections. If you disagree with him, and genuinely want to put effort into doing something about it, IMO the only constructive approach is try to teach him why you think he's wrong, or "toxic". Otherwise, it's on you to ignore it. That's not about thick skin; IMO, that is how civil societies function. Yours is a private, self-selecting organization. You don't have to be democratic, be nice to each other, follow any rules or even exist. But your own FAQ says "The idea behind the group is for project representatives to talk about the commonalities between our projects and find ways we can work together." This thread seems like the exact opposite of that. I was surprised by the calmness of Paul's response, and my only explanation is that despite the hate going his way in this thread, he tried to be neutral in his response because he still wants to find a way to work together. If you expected an apology from Paul after this thread, I suggest you try to put yourself in Paul's shoes and re-read this thread from his perspective. Many of the messages are quite hostile, and the thread does not seem to have started with the goal of conflict resolution; it looks to me more like conflict escalation, an ultimatum and a witch hunt, as some others have pointed out. I hope you all figure out how to work together. And when you do, please make a PSR with the solution. Best of luck. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PHP Framework Interoperability Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to php-fig+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to php-fig@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/php-fig/5e5c615e-f63c-4cbf-87f1-2f2e8ad6fa63%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
