On Saturday, July 9, 2016 at 1:30:03 AM UTC+2, Christopher Pitt wrote: > > Finally, to the complainants: you wanted to hang me, so start tying the >> noose and call the vote. >> > That is uncalled for. Asking for something to be addressed/discussed is in > no way a desire to hang you. This statement does nothing but appear to > vilify folks obviously seeking some kind of mediation with you. >
That seems to be a perfect example of the problem. It is a personal comment and unnecessary. And mediation can only work, if both sides agree there is a problem. Paul says he doesn't think he did anything wrong. Others say he did. No agreement. No mediation. I still say, the FIG has yet to properly set the rules on what they expect from its members, when it comes to civil discourse within the mailing list and how to judge violations of those responsibilities/ rules and what punishment those violations should require. Until that happens, any member can become "toxic" and there will be again long winded discussions about that problem, instead of swift and coherent resolution. Oh, and these are long winded discussions, which rob the FIG of energy that could be used for much more productive discussions. In other words, the FIG as an organization, can't show Paul his wrong doing, because there is nothing to go by other than personal opinion. The FIG also can't just vote a member out of the mailing list, because there is no mention of this process in the by-laws. The FIG must first work on getting that situation straight within its own rules and regulations. Then they can work on Paul's and anyone else's incivility issue and have a much more objective basis to do so. Mr. X, you've broken paragraph X of by-law Y. A of B voting members agree. You are now banned from responses in the mailing list for Z months. I hate to say it, but this thread, in effect, is a lynch mob. So Paul's "tie the noose" comment is actually in line with the situation. This activity is basically wrong from a civil standpoint. Unless the "law" says what Paul has done is wrong, it is only dissatisfaction in Paul's person and nothing else and people should actually either make the necessary changes to show, rule on and punish the incivility, or live with it. Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PHP Framework Interoperability Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to php-fig+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to php-fig@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/php-fig/7b1e5a17-f2c1-41ec-aba5-4ef6aec33ba9%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
