So is this thread really going to go on an on until Paul comes here and agrees or disagrees with each "You're an asshole" comment on here? Cuz... if I were Paul I know I certainly would not waste my time doing that, especially when it seems like the only true "Resolution" to this whole thread is if he comes here and says something like "I totally agree that I am really mean, and I promise to submit all further posts to the language authorities for their stamp of approval before posting to the group at large. Furthermore I promise not to hurt anyone's feelings ever again. In fact, I pinkie promise."
Seriously you guys... this is absurd. Some people think that Paul is a jerk... so the solution is to create a thread to let all sorts of people gang up on the guy and then expect him to come in and agree with you all. Then, when someone steps in and tries to say something Nice about Paul, or defend him, it turns into a battle between other people on this thread because how dare you speak up for the man we are trying to burn at the stake here! Either call the vote or close this thread. I think its usefulness, if it ever was useful to begin with, has run it's coarse by now. On Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 7:20:03 AM UTC-5, Michael Cullum wrote: > > Paul, > > Most here would like to move on and this is rather dragging out. Could you > please respond to the suggestions made by others in this topic which have > been summarised, either to refuse them or to accept them. > > Many thanks, > The Secretaries > > On Thursday, 21 July 2016 13:46:49 UTC+2, Anthony Ferrara wrote: >> >> All, >> >> * Paul continues to provide his excellent (and observable) technical >>> skills >>> >> >> This has been mentioned over and over again; how Paul has unbelievable >> technical skills. May I point out that he hasn't contributed significantly >> on a technical basis to any of the proposals since PSR-4... He has filled >> political support roles (Coordinator, etc), but not technically leading or >> driving any of the conversations in a non-trivial way. >> >> I'm not saying he doesn't have value to add, but a lot of commentary here >> seems to be under a delusion that he is contributing on a technical front >> way more than actuality. Over the past few years, the contributions have >> largely been political and process oriented (that doesn't say they aren't >> valuable, just that the majority were not technical). >> >> I say this, not to discredit or diminish Paul's contributions, but to >> frame them appropriately based on what many people are claiming. To say >> that he continues to provide his "excellent and observable technical >> skills" is a flat misrepresentation of the past several years. >> >> Some of you may take this as an insult, and there's nothing I can do to >> prevent that. It is not meant in any insulting way, but simply as a >> statement of fact. >> >> The other fact remains: So far Paul has not engaged in any dialog to try >> to understand what he could do better. He has not engaged in any dialog >> that would lead to an non-trivial changes which would affect his behavior >> and hence the point of this thread. His replies in this very thread have >> been hostile and aggressive. Clearly there is no resolution that's going to >> be reached. >> >> So my suggestion: Call the vote and settle this. Don't do an open vote >> (it's susceptible to retaliation, intimidation and back channel politics). >> Instead, put together a private mailing list for the vote and have members >> submit their votes there. Then have 2 non-secretaries (ideally one on >> either side of the "debate") act as auditors to ensure that the vote is >> fair (they would agree not to disclose voter information). This is the only >> way to vote that would be truly fair to everyone (both the voters and Paul >> himself). >> >> Call the vote, let what happens happen, and be done with it. >> >> Anthony >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PHP Framework Interoperability Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to php-fig+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to php-fig@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/php-fig/47fa5508-c95f-495e-9825-b6499509a20c%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
