> No, I made an objective observation about a group but in the interest of being productive I will reword:
The comment about ineptness isn't objective. It is subjective, because it is based on an opinion. >"The leadership, whom appears to be the secretaries and or voting members of this community appear to be inept." This is still an insult. How about just removing the insulting stuff from your post? It simply isn't needed. Without it, your post is actually quite good. >The fact is criticism is an important facet of any community and if you can't handle it, you should not be anywhere near any honest community. Criticism and insults are two largely different things. A person can easily point out why he or she thinks someone is inept, without actually saying it. >Lastly, a good leader doesn't take that as an insult. They say to themselves, "O.k., what is driving that observation? Why does this individual think we are inept? Is he just flaming or is the criticism valid?" You are right. Such comments are actually a flaming tactic to bring up emotion first. It is a poke to pry out an emotional response, instead of a factual/ objective one. It is also the tool of a troll (and I am not saying you are a troll). You are also right. Someone who is emotionally smart, which a leader should be, would probably fly over the BS parts of a post and try to dig out the golden nuggets, should there be any. But sometimes, the BS outweighs the nuggets and thus, will usually just get the whole post ignored, or even worse, that person might inflame the discussion to a much more emotional state. Then the troll has won! > If the person can't do that, they shouldn't be in the position of leadership. If you can't handle that, I suggest you step back and ask yourself why your esteem is so tied up in that of the opinions of strangers on the Internet. Was this last sentence at all necessary? That question doesn't need to be answered for sake of sidetracking this thread even more (which I apologize for). Just please give it some thought Josh. So, I guess it is obvious that some people don't understand the difference between proper objective discourse and constructive criticism and emotionally prodding, opinionated and personal insults (indirect or direct). This leads me back to my own point in this thread. Any community needs rules that say a member should not introduce off-topic, usually emotionally prodding, opinionated responses and/or insults (which is the definition of trolling) and that doing so has consequences. They are needed, so that when offences occur, the membership and/ or leadership only need to point to that rule and say it was violated. That is the judgement. Then it is up to the leaders to apply the fair punishment. That is, from my experience, one of the best ways, if not the best way, to keep up orderly discourse in an online community. Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PHP Framework Interoperability Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to php-fig+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to php-fig@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/php-fig/ef8c5904-f898-4e9b-b6a8-44669e6544f5%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
