Hi Hannes, > -----Original Message----- > From: Hannes Magnusson [mailto:hannes.magnus...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 8:34 PM > To: Anatol Belski > Cc: Johannes Schlüter; Christoph Becker; PHP Development; PHP Webmaster ML > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP7 releases vs Windows Sources? > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Anatol Belski <anatol....@belski.net> wrote: > > Hi Johannes, > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Johannes Schlüter [mailto:johan...@schlueters.de] > >> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 4:52 PM > >> To: Christoph Becker > >> Cc: Hannes Magnusson; Anatol Belski; PHP Development; PHP Webmaster > >> ML > >> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP7 releases vs Windows Sources? > >> > >> On Mon, 2015-06-15 at 16:20 +0200, Christoph Becker wrote: > >> > Hannes Magnusson wrote: > >> > > >> > > Then this fix doesn't make any sense -- you are saying if I > >> > > download the .tar.gz and .zip and extract those two, I will have > >> > > precisely the same sources? > >> > > Then this fix should be reverted as there is isn't any special > >> > > Windows Sources and the official releases should work just fine. > >> > > >> > There is some difference (timestamps?) which causes building from > >> > the tarred sources to fail on Windows (see bug #69829). > >> > >> "touching" generated files as part of the packaging process is a good > >> idea for all platforms. > >> > >> > Furthermore > >> > extracting the tarred sources with 7zip (which seems to be a pretty > >> > common archiver) results in spurious PaxHeaders.##### directories, > >> > what is bug in 7zip[1], and doesn't really affect the build, but is > >> > confusing nonetheless (and requires more disk space). > >> > > >> > At least until these issue are solved, IMO it's better to link to > >> > the "Windows" sources packaged as .zip. > >> > >> If there is a need for zip archives I'd put them next to tar.gz etc. > >> and distribute them via our mirror network. > >> > > Yep, this could work and were probably proper solution. Except we wouldn't > add some issue for the non Windows users :) I'm not sure, why is it done so > ATM, probably it has its historical reasons. But this would probably cause us > need to update the release process procedure? And, for PHP7 or for any other > as > well? Currently that zipball is just generated with the build process, so > it'll need > to be sent over somehow. Were anyway doable, wondering what the other > RMs would say. Frankly, I'd leave it as it is - as long as it's reachable and > documented. > > > > > > Thats what we want. We want the official release balls to be generated by an > "official server" using the official toolchain. > There should never be a time when a Release Manager pulls up his notebook, > does a checkout and packages that and uploads. Its bad enough we have this for > pecl exts, but there is no reason for php-src to be playing with fire and > infiltration agencies. > > That has unfortunately happened before, and resulted in us distributing .orig > files (patch conflicts), .exp, .out, .php, ... > (failed tests results) and even wrongly generated artifacts (due to wrong > bison/re2c versions installed locally). > > We don't want that happen again. > The official releases should be done on "snap box", and be completely > automated with no room for accidents. > It produces several archives, and we can add .zip to that mix if not already > available. It's a worthy goal IMHO. Currently it all is done manually as you know. The question is only - to implement it. And that's where I'm a wrong person to talk to. Technically I could do it, but for time (and other) reasons - I couldn't. Also I'm not the person who makes decisions about the infrastructure. snaps.php.net is currently offline fe, maybe something based on that could be it for the start, at least for the source packaging.
> It should be obvious that any binary distribution that aims to be official > PHP.net > release should use this official release, not some custom mix of things. > It is important that these official binaries also don't regenerate the files > in the > archive. > If there is an extra file (.w32?), or touching of files, required to make > this archive > usable to generate binaries from - then please fix the root problem; touch the > file before the packaging (and update the README :)). I can just repeat - no char in the code and changed. And the reference is the tag. Also, as we know now, those zipballs are needed for some external tools. I'll check how the touching generated files can work, but I don't think it's solving the tools incompatibility issue (tar, gz, xz, 7zip, etc.) between Windows and *nix. Hannes, I think you should address your concerns to the persons who actually induce. Such a global solution that you describe will probably require some consent, some good plan, material and human resources. I could help with implementation maybe, to some part. But right now, I think I'm more useful by doing the RM job and fixing bugs, so I should concentrate on that :) So I'm better out of this discussion. Regards Anatol -- PHP Webmaster List Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
