Sarah Palin isn't running for the VP of a Muslim country. She is running for the possible top job in a supposedly enlightened, balanced and rational country. As for the US being more tolerant of other religions than ...(you mentioned Europe) , it isn't Europe which has spewed such hatred for Muslims as I have seen in this list. And finally, the right-wing Americans seem to have forgotten one important ideology in the Constitution...that the Church and the State are separate. That a VP should not be electedd beause she is a fundamentalist Christian to the extent that she thinks that women who are pregnant due to having been raped should be condemneed to a lifetime of a child she doesn't want and which was forced on her. Now you can back-pedal all you want about "what she says and thinks is irrelevant because it won't be enacted in law"...I suggest that it is precisely what she thinks which has made the far right so enamoured of her. I am staggered that such extremist bias has become mainstream. I suggest that after GW and his disastrous 8 years, America is either in shock or up their own behinds. I also suggest that the choice of a governor of less than 2 years of a population of 770,000 which is less than the size of our medium cities, which is Alaska, has more to do with oil than may be at first glance. The US didn't get all teh oil they wanted out of the Iraqi war...they are now going to get it out of Alaska. And Palin is an avowed denier of global warming (yet another really intelligent stance). Between McCain's constant whining about his VietNam years (as soon as he says he doesn't want to talk about it he mentions it) and her off- the-wall far-right extremist views, it is clear to anyone who can see out of his own backside that this is a disaster for the US as a global player.
On Sep 8, 7:14 pm, Zebnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are MANY creationists in this country and MOST people around the > world believe in something other than the Big Bang or Evolution. Just > ask any Muslim. In any event, Evolution and the Big Bang are just > theories. Not buying into them is hardly extremist. > > On Sep 8, 1:24 pm, creusa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > BBC Radio4 three days ago as I listened to a conversation with some > > Republican women who are upset about Palin's attitude to abortion. > > And if being a creationist isn't a fundamental Christian extremist > > POV, I can't think of a better example. My reference to bias to other > > countries was in the context of musing as to whether she would carry > > bias against Muslim countries including African ones. > > creusa > > > On Sep 8, 3:33 pm, KeithInTampa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hello CREUSA! > > > > I read the comments below yours, but I am curious as to how you came > > > to the conclusions that you did.....What issues are there, or what > > > specifically is it that you believe Governor Palin to be a > > > "fundamentalist extremist"? Where did you come up with this > > > information that Governor Palin would outlaw all abortions? Because > > > she chose to carry her downs syndrome baby to term? What "bias to > > > other countries"? Where do you come up with such untruthful, > > > prevaricate information? > > > > On Sep 8, 6:43 am, creusa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > What on earth is WRONG with you all in the US? Have you all lost any > > > > understanding of moderation and commn sense? Is this how people from > > > > Planet Belch think? > > > > > She is a fundamentalist extremist...and I find it highly amusing (if > > > > it were not so tragic) that those in this forum who dislike > > > > fundamental extremism in in other cultures is actually supporting it > > > > in your own. > > > > > Are you going to tell me that someone who objects to abortion even in > > > > cases of rape or incest is balanced????? That believing that evolution > > > > doesn't happen is balanced and open minded enough to possibly run the > > > > country? > > > > > And who knows much of anything about her stance on the handling of the > > > > economy, (kind of important right now...) capital punishment (I'll bet > > > > I can make a good guess at this one...) or oil exploration? How about > > > > international diplomacy or her bias concerning other countries? > > > > > Where in God's name have you all left your good sense?? > > > > > creusa > > > > > On Sep 8, 6:42 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Libertarians Voting for the Republican Ticket?!?!?!?!?!? > > > > > > Something tells me Obama is in some serioous trouble now... > > > > > > How long before he dump Biden and BEGS Hillary to be his VP?!?!?!?!? > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > On Sep 7, 9:19 pm, "M.A. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Sarah Palinby Walter Block > > > > > > No one who has anything nice to say about Ron Paul can be all bad. > > > > > > Sarah Palin has said nice things about Ron Paul > > > > > > (seehere,here,here,hereandhere). Ergo, therefore, as a result, it > > > > > > cannot be denied, it logically follows, Sarah Palin cannot be all > > > > > > bad. That is, she cannot be all badno matter what elseshe is guilty > > > > > > of (within reason of course.) > > > > > > So, what are the criticisms of her? > > > > > > First and foremost, she is accused of not having enough experience. > > > > > > I admit it! She does not have enough experience. Enough experience, > > > > > > that is, to become emperor of the world. Yes, John McCain, Barack > > > > > > Obama and Joe Biden do seek this post of planetary domination, now > > > > > > held by George Bush. That is, these three show every evidence of > > > > > > wanting to continue the U.S. role as hegemon of the entire globe. > > > > > > Now, it may well be that Palin will in future be seduced into this > > > > > > sort of ambition. But, at least as ofright now, there is little or > > > > > > no evidence of it (apart from some pro-war sentiment). Of the four > > > > > > presidential and vice presidential candidates, her present > > > > > > experience shows theleastdesire to rule the world. So, her "lack of > > > > > > experience" is a good thing, not a bad one. > > > > > > Does she have enough "experience" to be president of a country with > > > > > > a limited government, and no aspiration to be world dictator? Of > > > > > > course she does. And, again, she hasmoreexperience in this regard > > > > > > than either McCain, Obama or Biden. She, alone of the four of them, > > > > > > has hadexecutiveexperience as the Governor of the great state of > > > > > > Alaska, while the other three have been whiling their way in a > > > > > > relatively unimportant institution, in this era of presidential > > > > > > power. So, don’t talk to me about experience, as a critique of this > > > > > > lady. > > > > > > Second, it is said that with five children, she has too many other > > > > > > obligations to take on the role of vice president. Give me a break. > > > > > > She can’t vote in the senate when there is a tie? C’mon! This > > > > > > charge emanates from left-wing feminists, of course. Suppose > > > > > > Hillary were to have had five children the ages of Sarah’s. Would > > > > > > the legions of her supporters be making this case with regard to > > > > > > Mrs. Clinton? To ask this is to answer it. In that case, Hillary’s > > > > > > ascendency would only serve as evidence that "You can have it all." > > > > > > The hypocrisy of these "feminists" stinks to the high heavens. They > > > > > > do not support the idea ofwomenbreaking through the so-called glass > > > > > > ceiling. Rather, they favorleft-wing socialist femalesbeing given > > > > > > positions of authority and responsibility. This is something very > > > > > > different. It is a rare occasion that these feminists have been > > > > > > caught with their contradictions so much in the public eye. All > > > > > > those sick and tired of these harridans ought to thank Sarah for > > > > > > this one boon alone. > > > > > > Third, a criticism made by some libertarians is that her adherence > > > > > > to our principles is only skin deep; she has raised some taxes, > > > > > > considered banning some books from libraries, engaged in > > > > > > public-private ventures regarding oil pipelines, she is altogether > > > > > > too friendly to US foreign aggression. Yes, yes, she is no > > > > > > libertarian, certainly not of the purist variety. She is no Ron > > > > > > Paul. But, a little context here, please. Compared to McCain, Obama > > > > > > and Biden, she is a veritable Murray N. Rothbard. What about > > > > > > matching her up against all the other 49 governors? Well, Bobby > > > > > > Jindal of Louisiana is not all bad as far as these things go, and > > > > > > there might be another half dozen of this breed, mainly in the > > > > > > poorly populated states west of the Mississippi, but surely Sarah > > > > > > Palin fits comfortably into this category. According tothis source, > > > > > > tax freedom day arrives earliest in Alaska, of all 50 states. Not > > > > > > too shabby, at least in this context. She favors drilling in > > > > > > theANWR, and that alone is worth the price of admission. > > > > > > Another critique emanating from this quarter is that even if Sarah > > > > > > isn’t all that bad in terms of libertarianism, at least compared to > > > > > > her peers, as soon as she goes to Washington D.C. as Vice > > > > > > President, she will "grow in office" and become more acceptable to > > > > > > socialists such as those who plague theNew York Times,Newsweek, NBC > > > > > > and the other major media outlets. Well, yes, I suppose, this could > > > > > > happen. But, again, let us not lose sight of context. This > > > > > > hasalreadytaken place for the likes of McCain, Obama and Biden, who > > > > > > have been located in the beltway for many, many years. And, yes, > > > > > > there are indeed "libertarian" think tanks now located inside the > > > > > > beltway whose adherence to this philosophy has, sadly, deteriorated > > > > > > in the last little while. But there is nonecessitythat this disease > > > > > > will afflict Sarah. Indeed, there are groups, organizations and > > > > > > people who serve as counterexamples, and illustrate the concept of > > > > > > free will. Exhibit "A" is of course Ron Paul. He has been a denizen > > > > > > of Washington D.C. for decades now, and shows no signs of yielding > > > > > > to this affliction. George Ayittey is as strong a supporter of the > > > > > > free society as he was when he first became a professor of > > > > > > economics at American University many years ago. Tom DiLorenzo is > > > > > > located near the beltway in Baltimore, and is second to none in his > > > > > > adherence of libertarianism. Then, too, there are a whole host of > > > > > > libertarians on the faculty of nearby George Mason University. The > > > > > > Mises Institute itself, bastion of liberty and world headquarters > > > > > > of the Austro-libertarian movement, was for a time located in the > > > > > > DC environs. They departed, but not at all out of fear of > > > > > > compromising with the principles of freedom. > > > > > > Now that we have dealt with the spurious criticisms, what are the > > > > > > benefits of the Palin candidacy? > > > > > > First and foremost, just sit back and relax for a moment, and > > > > > > consider this scenario. The McCain (ugh!) – Palin (whoop-di-do) > > > > > > ticket is elected in November. The duffer kicks the bucket after a > > > > > > heart attack in early 2009, and our girl is now President of these > > > > > > here United States. Who does she choose as Vice President? Why, a > > > > > > certain Congressman from Texas. I’m not at liberty to reveal his > > > > > > name at the present time, but I’ll give you a hint: he is widely > > > > > > known by both friends and enemies as "Dr. No." Double whoop-di-do, > > > > > > say I. No, quadruple. Unlikely? Yes. But politicallyimpossible? No. > > > > > > Did you notice how Sarah is widely referred to, when in formal > > > > > > mode? Yes, asMrs.Palin, notMs.Palin. Isn’t that wonderful? Doesn’t > > > > > > that really stick it to the socialist feminists? Yes, indeedy do. > > > > > > And, there is no group that more deserves such a come-uppance than > > > > > > they. They have long striven to stuff this horrid bit of > > > > > > nomenclature (seehere) down our collective throats, and, on all too > > > > > > many occasions have succeeded. It is time, it is long past time, > > > > > > that we jettison this insufferable politically correct attack on > > > > > > traditional gender distinction. > > > > > > She delivers a hugely deserved kick in the teeth to those limousine > > > > > > liberals who infest both east and west coasts of our country. I’m > > > > > > talking about the intellectual-academic-cultural "elites" who > > > > > > dismiss the rest of the populace as inhabiting "fly over" country. > > > > > > Here > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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