>>> The enlightenment was rational...it was the supremacy of reason. Not >>> something you have maintained.
Go read the Scotiish Enlightenment writers (Locke, Hume, Berkley) ... You will find that they advocated human rights were inalienable precisely because those rights came from a higher and unknowable power than rational man... >>> Don't be silly...France was Roman Catholic. The French Enlightenment spawned Karl Marx and his like... It saw rationalism as self defining truth separate from faith... The English Enlightenment was quite the opposite... >>> Nonsense. WE have our problems but we don't HATE them as I have seen >>> expressed here...in fact wehave a far greatertolerance for muslims than it seems Ameicans have for their black citizens since it is this which is making Obama's victory so difficult. Hatred? You have only had Civil /Human Rights here for 45 years. What BS... It is clear you believe in the myths MSM force fed you... Would France serious consider a North Africa for President??? After all the Moslem population in France is roughly that of AA in the US... Would Germany consider a Turk for PM??? Would Britian consider a Black Indian Brit for PM??? Until Europeans are willing to give a member of a 14% minority the highest office in the land, then tell me about America's human rights... >>> That is why Europe is so keen to see Obama elected...we know he is more in >>> tune with the way the rest of the world thinks. AMERICA IS NOT EUROPE.... While European settlers dominated from 1700 to today, we have quite a different culture understanding -- one that allows for multi-culturalism within a relate civil polity... Europe is still rift with the problems of ethnic based nationalities and a mere 50 years ended a 40 year world-wide European Civil War that showed the European underbelly of totalitarianism that one still sees in conflicts in Kosovo and Georgia... Thank god European can not vote in the US... I suspect Germans fell the same way about Turks not being able to vote in German elections, I suspect Germans favor governments that center on German needs rather than Turkish ones... >>> Not what I read here a couple of years ago. How do you know it was a myth? >>> Please post documented proof that it was a myth. Just look at what we did after 1991 in Kuwait... Or are doing in Iraq... Those countries own their own oil and are in control of their own oil fields... On Sep 10, 3:52 am, creusa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sep 9, 5:40 pm, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>> he is running for the possible top job in a supposedly enlightened, > > >>> balanced and rational country. > > > I understand YOUR position is that this means "all leaders should > > believe in Science as I understand it"... Part of the difference > > between Europe and the US is that the US is grounded by the English > > and Scotish Enlighenment which was Deistic. > > The enlightenment was rational...it was the supremacy of reason. Not > something you have maintained. > > Europe settled for the > > > French atheistic version... > > Don't be silly...France was Roman Catholic. In those days it mattered. > We have become more secular as we have had to absorb so many other > faiths and cultures. > > Now in OUR "enlightened, balanced and > > > rational country" we allow for different opinions and not insist on > > only the Truth as seen be Evolutionists... > > So you "rationalists" deny science? Do you then deny the study of > genetics and do you, for example, never wonder why it is possible to > modify animals and crops for yield, looks and performance? Are you > just stubbornly blind? > > What I am suggesting here > > > is maybe it is Europe which is not the "enlightened, balanced and > > rational" ones when it comes to philosophy and theology... > > You wouldn't know, not living here. Your assessment of Europe is not > the one I llive in but a product of your media...not known for its > balance. > > > > > >>> As for the US being more tolerant of other religions than ...(you > > >>> mentioned Europe) , it isn't Europe which has spewed such hatred for > > >>> Muslims as I have seen in this list. > > > There is less anti-Moslem violence in the US than there is in > > Europe... Holland, Francs, Spain, Germany, Sweden, Denmark among > > others have story after story affirming the ghettoization of Moslems > > (either by general society or self imposed)... The news is full of > > Moslem violence and rioting and anti-Moslem violence and rioting... > > I will suggest that there is LESS toleration in Europe between Moslems > > and Europeans than there is in the US... > > Nonsense. WE have our problems but we don't HATE them as I have seen > expressed here...in fact wehave a far greatertolerance for muslims > than it seems Ameicans have for their black citizens since it is this > which is making Obama's victory so difficult. Hatred? You have only > had Civil /Human Rights here for 45 years. > > > > > >>> I am staggered that such extremist bias has become mainstream. I > > >>> suggest that after GW and his disastrous 8 years, America is either in > > > shock or up their own behinds. > > > You of course are overlooking the extremeism by the Left in the US... > > Second, Bush will be remembered in History far kinder than you are > > suggesting -- Harry Truman comes to mind... > > It isn't for you to say...that is a discursive guess. > > > >>> I also suggest that the choice of a governor of less than 2 years of a > > >>> population of 770,000 which is less than the size of our medium > > > cities, which is Alaska, > > > Palin hasMORE governing experience than Obama... I would suggest if > > you have a problem with Palin, you also should have one with > > Obama... But you don't, so I suggest you examine your own bias... > > That is why Europe is so keen to see Obama elected...we know he is > more in tune with the way the rest of the world thinks. Jeez...Palin > hasn't set foot outside the US ever!!! > > > > > >>> has more to do with oil than may be at first glance. The US > > didn't get all teh oil they wanted out of the Iraqi > > war...they are now going to get it out of Alaska. And Palin is an > > avowed denier of global warming (yet another really intelligent > > stance). > > > As Oil Independence is a major issue, should not an expert in oil be > > seen as a qualifying trait??? > > No...her expertise comes with a worrying attitude towards the > environment...that it is there to rape. > > As to Iraqi oil, the US never tried to > > > take Iraqi oil for the US... > > Not what I read here a couple of years ago. How do you know it was a > myth? Please post documented proof that it was a myth. > > That is just a myth much of Europe is > > > believes --- this is not unlike Europe's populist Witch Trails, got > > to blame someone for your troubles why not America... Have fun > > dealing with Russia on Energy... > > If you lot would stop building missile bases in Poland we would have > an easier time. We aren't having a problem with Russia...it is the US > they are mumbling about. And as for witches, your witch trialas in > Mass were born out of ignorance of the reality they were in. Born of > being stockaded and isolated. Born of the kind of extremist religion > that the creationists believe. You were wrong then...you are wrong > now. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
