You people believe in weapons of mass destruction, you will believe anything. ? Palin has no political experience,not that that is a plus in todays political climate' she is a carrot to the religious right to get them on side because the republicans desperately need their redneck votes. Fortunately for the GOP, Obama's right wing credentials are coming to the fore, alienating him from large sections of the left, bringing about the dramatic change in the polls. Neither are worth a piece of shit. They are complete and utter reprobates.
On Sep 9, 8:10 pm, "d.b.baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The rise of Sarah Palin has virtually nothing to with her personal > views regarding abortion - one of the many social issues she prefers > leaving to the separate states. > > Sarah's rise has everything to do with her record as a genuine, no > nonsense, political reformer. If she could undue the ruling political > classes in Alaska, including big oil, there's no reason to believe she > can't do likewise in Washington. There's no downside, she can only do > better than the status quo - the crooks and thieves who infest > American politics from sea to shinning sea. > > Identity politics, gender wars, glass ceilings - it's all factional > commentary. The majority will vote for McCain because they want Palin. > She's Average-Man's last, unaffected hope. > > On Sep 9, 4:18 am, creusa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sarah Palin isn't running for the VP of a Muslim country. She is > > running for the possible top job in a supposedly enlightened, balanced > > and rational country. As for the US being more tolerant of other > > religions than ...(you mentioned Europe) , it isn't Europe which has > > spewed such hatred for Muslims as I have seen in this list. > > And finally, the right-wing Americans seem to have forgotten one > > important ideology in the Constitution...that the Church and the State > > are separate. That a VP should not be electedd beause she is a > > fundamentalist Christian to the extent that she thinks that women who > > are pregnant due to having been raped should be condemneed to a > > lifetime of a child she doesn't want and which was forced on her. > > Now you can back-pedal all you want about "what she says and thinks is > > irrelevant because it won't be enacted in law"...I suggest that it is > > precisely what she thinks which has made the far right so enamoured of > > her. > > I am staggered that such extremist bias has become mainstream. I > > suggest that after GW and his disastrous 8 years, America is either in > > shock or up their own behinds. > > I also suggest that the choice of a governor of less than 2 years of a > > population of 770,000 which is less than the size of our medium > > cities, which is Alaska, has more to do with oil than may be at first > > glance. The US didn't get all teh oil they wanted out of the Iraqi > > war...they are now going to get it out of Alaska. And Palin is an > > avowed denier of global warming (yet another really intelligent > > stance). > > Between McCain's constant whining about his VietNam years (as soon as > > he says he doesn't want to talk about it he mentions it) and her off- > > the-wall far-right extremist views, it is clear to anyone who can see > > out of his own backside that this is a disaster for the US as a global > > player. > > > On Sep 8, 7:14 pm, Zebnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > There are MANY creationists in this country and MOST people around the > > > world believe in something other than the Big Bang or Evolution. Just > > > ask any Muslim. In any event, Evolution and the Big Bang are just > > > theories. Not buying into them is hardly extremist. > > > > On Sep 8, 1:24 pm, creusa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > BBC Radio4 three days ago as I listened to a conversation with some > > > > Republican women who are upset about Palin's attitude to abortion. > > > > And if being a creationist isn't a fundamental Christian extremist > > > > POV, I can't think of a better example. My reference to bias to other > > > > countries was in the context of musing as to whether she would carry > > > > bias against Muslim countries including African ones. > > > > creusa > > > > > On Sep 8, 3:33 pm, KeithInTampa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hello CREUSA! > > > > > > I read the comments below yours, but I am curious as to how you came > > > > > to the conclusions that you did.....What issues are there, or what > > > > > specifically is it that you believe Governor Palin to be a > > > > > "fundamentalist extremist"? Where did you come up with this > > > > > information that Governor Palin would outlaw all abortions? Because > > > > > she chose to carry her downs syndrome baby to term? What "bias to > > > > > other countries"? Where do you come up with such untruthful, > > > > > prevaricate information? > > > > > > On Sep 8, 6:43 am, creusa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > What on earth is WRONG with you all in the US? Have you all lost any > > > > > > understanding of moderation and commn sense? Is this how people from > > > > > > Planet Belch think? > > > > > > > She is a fundamentalist extremist...and I find it highly amusing (if > > > > > > it were not so tragic) that those in this forum who dislike > > > > > > fundamental extremism in in other cultures is actually supporting it > > > > > > in your own. > > > > > > > Are you going to tell me that someone who objects to abortion even > > > > > > in > > > > > > cases of rape or incest is balanced????? That believing that > > > > > > evolution > > > > > > doesn't happen is balanced and open minded enough to possibly run > > > > > > the > > > > > > country? > > > > > > > And who knows much of anything about her stance on the handling of > > > > > > the > > > > > > economy, (kind of important right now...) capital punishment (I'll > > > > > > bet > > > > > > I can make a good guess at this one...) or oil exploration? How > > > > > > about > > > > > > international diplomacy or her bias concerning other countries? > > > > > > > Where in God's name have you all left your good sense?? > > > > > > > creusa > > > > > > > On Sep 8, 6:42 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Libertarians Voting for the Republican Ticket?!?!?!?!?!? > > > > > > > > Something tells me Obama is in some serioous trouble now... > > > > > > > > How long before he dump Biden and BEGS Hillary to be his > > > > > > > VP?!?!?!?!? > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > On Sep 7, 9:19 pm, "M.A. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sarah Palinby Walter Block > > > > > > > > No one who has anything nice to say about Ron Paul can be all > > > > > > > > bad. Sarah Palin has said nice things about Ron Paul > > > > > > > > (seehere,here,here,hereandhere). Ergo, therefore, as a result, > > > > > > > > it cannot be denied, it logically follows, Sarah Palin cannot > > > > > > > > be all bad. That is, she cannot be all badno matter what > > > > > > > > elseshe is guilty of (within reason of course.) > > > > > > > > So, what are the criticisms of her? > > > > > > > > First and foremost, she is accused of not having enough > > > > > > > > experience. I admit it! She does not have enough experience. > > > > > > > > Enough experience, that is, to become emperor of the world. > > > > > > > > Yes, John McCain, Barack Obama and Joe Biden do seek this post > > > > > > > > of planetary domination, now held by George Bush. That is, > > > > > > > > these three show every evidence of wanting to continue the U.S. > > > > > > > > role as hegemon of the entire globe. Now, it may well be that > > > > > > > > Palin will in future be seduced into this sort of ambition. > > > > > > > > But, at least as ofright now, there is little or no evidence of > > > > > > > > it (apart from some pro-war sentiment). Of the four > > > > > > > > presidential and vice presidential candidates, her present > > > > > > > > experience shows theleastdesire to rule the world. So, her > > > > > > > > "lack of experience" is a good thing, not a bad one. > > > > > > > > Does she have enough "experience" to be president of a country > > > > > > > > with a limited government, and no aspiration to be world > > > > > > > > dictator? Of course she does. And, again, she hasmoreexperience > > > > > > > > in this regard than either McCain, Obama or Biden. She, alone > > > > > > > > of the four of them, has hadexecutiveexperience as the Governor > > > > > > > > of the great state of Alaska, while the other three have been > > > > > > > > whiling their way in a relatively unimportant institution, in > > > > > > > > this era of presidential power. So, don’t talk to me about > > > > > > > > experience, as a critique of this lady. > > > > > > > > Second, it is said that with five children, she has too many > > > > > > > > other obligations to take on the role of vice president. Give > > > > > > > > me a break. She can’t vote in the senate when there is a tie? > > > > > > > > C’mon! This charge emanates from left-wing feminists, of > > > > > > > > course. Suppose Hillary were to have had five children the ages > > > > > > > > of Sarah’s. Would the legions of her supporters be making this > > > > > > > > case with regard to Mrs. Clinton? To ask this is to answer it. > > > > > > > > In that case, Hillary’s ascendency would only serve as evidence > > > > > > > > that "You can have it all." The hypocrisy of these "feminists" > > > > > > > > stinks to the high heavens. They do not support the idea > > > > > > > > ofwomenbreaking through the so-called glass ceiling. Rather, > > > > > > > > they favorleft-wing socialist femalesbeing given positions of > > > > > > > > authority and responsibility. This is something very different. > > > > > > > > It is a rare occasion that these feminists have been caught > > > > > > > > with their contradictions so much in the public eye. All those > > > > > > > > sick and tired of these harridans ought to thank Sarah for this > > > > > > > > one boon alone. > > > > > > > > Third, a criticism made by some libertarians is that her > > > > > > > > adherence to our principles is only skin deep; she has raised > > > > > > > > some taxes, considered banning some books from libraries, > > > > > > > > engaged in public-private ventures regarding oil pipelines, she > > > > > > > > is altogether too friendly to US foreign aggression. Yes, yes, > > > > > > > > she is no libertarian, certainly not of the purist variety. She > > > > > > > > is no Ron Paul. But, a little context here, please. Compared to > > > > > > > > McCain, Obama and Biden, she is a veritable Murray N. Rothbard. > > > > > > > > What about matching her up against all the other 49 governors? > > > > > > > > Well, Bobby Jindal of Louisiana is not all bad as far as these > > > > > > > > things go, and there might be another half dozen of this breed, > > > > > > > > mainly in the poorly populated states west of the Mississippi, > > > > > > > > but surely Sarah Palin fits comfortably into this category. > > > > > > > > According tothis source, tax freedom day arrives earliest in > > > > > > > > Alaska, of all 50 states. Not too shabby, at least in this > > > > > > > > context. She favors drilling in theANWR, and that alone is > > > > > > > > worth the price of admission. > > > > > > > > Another critique emanating from this quarter is that even if > > > > > > > > Sarah isn’t all that bad in terms of libertarianism, at least > > > > > > > > compared to her peers, as soon as she goes to Washington D.C. > > > > > > > > as Vice President, she will "grow in office" and become more > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
