Gates is a gift to America and should be high on McCain's list of appointees.
On Oct 2, 3:08�pm, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If one accepts your premise, the question then is what does one do > with Saddam's Iraq... > > 1) Sanctions were on the verge of failing, in part due to the > corruption in the UN's oil for food program and in part due to France, > Russian, and German willingness to ignore the sanctions... � We did > find out that Saddam had full intention to rebuild stockpile of WMD > once sanctions ended... > > 2) we never would have discovered the Pakistan trade in WMD > technology, > > 3) Iraq nor the entire would have had no reform towards democracy > > What to do about the nexus of failing states (yes Iraq was one) > stateless terrorism, and cheap WMD??? � All these question, if one > accepts the premise of keeping Saddam in power, would have insured > greater problems... > > On Oct 2, 12:19 am, J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > My claim, even before the Iraq War, was that the Iraq War is a > > mistake. > > > Obama has the best judgment to bring to our Congress for vote battles > > which the American people must fight. > > > McCain is a reckless impetuous too old hot-head, last in his class, a > > George Armstrong Custer type, who , mark my words if he's elected > > president, will cause our nation to go down in flames. > > > On Sep 29, 1:58 pm, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Public opinion is a fickle thing... � Your claim is Iraq and > > > Afghanistan were never merely separate battlefields in the same > > > war... � That is simplely false... > > > > On Sep 29, 12:58 pm, J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > jgg1000a, Iraq was a mistake. Most of the American people realize > > > > this, even many Republicans. > > > > > The electorate can not take the chance that your party and its > > > > representatives will not make the same monumental mistakes in the > > > > future. It's time for real change. > > > > > On Sep 29, 9:49 am, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > >>> George Bush and his neocon buddies created al Qaeda in Iraq by > > > > > >>> destabilizing the country, > > > > > > Bush attacked the nexus of failing nation-states, stateless terrorism, > > > > > and WMD... �That AQ was or was not in Iraq in 2001 is not the > > > > > point... �THE POINT IS AQ DID COME TO IRAQ AND MADE IT ITS CENTRAL > > > > > FRONT... � Until you can understand this you have no clue... �The > > > > > second point you fail to understand is Iraq transformed AQ's image in > > > > > the mOslem world from a "Freedom Fighter" to a non-religious "death > > > > > cult"... > > > > > > As to Iran, it already was embolden... �You assume the removal of > > > > > Saddam was blocking Iran from going nuclear, it was not... Iran > > > > > already had started to spread influence in the ME in the Shia > > > > > communities since the 1980's... > > > > > > On Sep 27, 4:19 pm, J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > George Bush and his neocon buddies created al Qaeda in Iraq by > > > > > > destabilizing the country, killing in the process 200,000 of its > > > > > > citizens and making 2 MILLION Iraqis homeless refugees. �Obama > > > > > > warned > > > > > > of the consequences of a "dumb war" BEFORE the Iraq invasion. The > > > > > > Republicans diverted our precious blood and treasure on a fools > > > > > > mission to Iraq while the terrorists regrouped and grew stronger in > > > > > > Afghanistan and Pakistan. As Obama pointed out last night, an > > > > > > unintended consequence of the Iraq War was to strengthen and > > > > > > embolden > > > > > > Iran. > > > > > > > It's time for you Republican apologists and your screw-up > > > > > > representatives to stand down and let the country be run by an > > > > > > intelligent focused determined leader. > > > > > > > On Sep 27, 12:37 pm, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Obama thinks the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan are not linked > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > fundamental ways... �He wants to believe that because AQ did not > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > of a presence in Iraq in 2001 that Iraq was not seen as the > > > > > > > central > > > > > > > battlefield by both the US and AQ... �IT WAS SEEN AS THE CENTRAL > > > > > > > BATTLEFIELD BY BOTH... �In not understanding this fundamental > > > > > > > fact, > > > > > > > Obama's assumptions over the consequences of a pullout (either > > > > > > > today > > > > > > > or 2 years ago) are critically flawed and WRONG... > > > > > > > > It is about judgment Hollywood,, �Not understanding what the > > > > > > > facts are > > > > > > > IS OBAMA'S basic lack of judgment... > > > > > > > > On Sep 27, 1:27 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > voxitar, > > > > > > > > > Typical, appearances and biased perceptions over substance. How > > > > > > > > something was over what was said. > > > > > > > > > On Sep 27, 10:34 am, voxitar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Obama looked like a student being schooled by the master. > > > > > > > > > �McCain > > > > > > > > > looked presidential, Obama just looked like whiner. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 5:16 AM, mike532 [ Republicans for > > > > > > > > > Obama ] > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Six Short Takes on Why Obama Came out Ahead in the Debate > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.alternet.org/election08/100565/ > > > > > > > > > > In the first head-to-head debate of the 2008 campaign, the > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > crisis dragged what the McCain camp had hoped would be > > > > > > > > > > fought in the > > > > > > > > > > GOP nominee's comfort zone -- foreign policy and national > > > > > > > > > > security -- > > > > > > > > > > squarely into the realm of domestic policy. > > > > > > > > > > Moderator Jim Lehrer made a smooth transition to the > > > > > > > > > > voters' top > > > > > > > > > > concern in this election, saying that we were facing a > > > > > > > > > > potential > > > > > > > > > > meltdown of the global economy, which was by definition a > > > > > > > > > > matter of > > > > > > > > > > "national security." > > > > > > > > > > > What followed was a microcosm of the 2008 race: Barack > > > > > > > > > > Obama dominated > > > > > > > > > > John McCain when the focus of the debate was on the > > > > > > > > > > domestic sphere > > > > > > > > > > and a fast-deteriorating financial sector, but ceded an > > > > > > > > > > enormous > > > > > > > > > > amount of political space to McCain on national security, > > > > > > > > > > accepting > > > > > > > > > > much of the Arizona senator's overarching neoconservative > > > > > > > > > > narrative > > > > > > > > > > that the United States is surrounded by mortal danger and > > > > > > > > > > evildoers > > > > > > > > > > and has a moral duty to maintain our forces in Iraq and > > > > > > > > > > elsewhere in > > > > > > > > > > order to defend the homeland. > > > > > > > > > > > McCain appeared twitchy and out of touch as the debate > > > > > > > > > > began with the > > > > > > > > > > banking meltdown and the Bush-Paulson plan to reverse it. > > > > > > > > > > He blinked > > > > > > > > > > rapidly and avoided eye contact with Obama, Lehrer and the > > > > > > > > > > audience as > > > > > > > > > > Obama came out swinging against McCain for enabling the > > > > > > > > > > "root causes" > > > > > > > > > > of the crisis to develop during decades in the Congress, > > > > > > > > > > including a > > > > > > > > > > long stint on the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and > > > > > > > > > > Transportation. > > > > > > > > > > > Obama articulately condemned what he called a "philosophy > > > > > > > > > > that says > > > > > > > > > > that regulation is always bad," and blamed its > > > > > > > > > > pervasiveness for the > > > > > > > > > > economic mess. McCain, moments before saying that we have > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > "greatest workers in the world" (and that the United States > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > simultaneously the "greatest importer" and "greatest > > > > > > > > > > exporter" in the > > > > > > > > > > world), tried to shift blame from Wall Street to Main > > > > > > > > > > Street -- from > > > > > > > > > > predatory lenders and fast-and-loose brokers to those who > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > themselves with a home on the bubble today. > > > > > > > > > > > It's a losing strategy. > > > > > > > > > > > Obama, on the other hand, must be extremely confident that > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > election will be decided on the economy, as he failed to > > > > > > > > > > challenge > > > > > > > > > > McCain on his belligerent stance toward the rest of the > > > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > He conceded that the "surge has worked" -- it has not. He > > > > > > > > > > tried to go > > > > > > > > > > toe to toe with John "Bomb, Bomb Iran" McCain on the evils > > > > > > > > > > of Iran. He > > > > > > > > > > called Venezuela a "rogue state." He engaged in a bit of > > > > > > > > > > fearmongering > > > > > > > > > > himself, saying that while he supports missile defense -- a > > > > > > > > > > boondoggle > > > > > > > > > > if ever there was one -- the greatest threat we face is > > > > > > > > > > from suitcase > > > > > > > > > > nukes. > > > > > > > > > > > As Obama agreed with so much of McCain's worldview, McCain's > > > > > > > > > > discomfort disappeared, and he landed several good knocks > > > > > > > > > > on Obama. He > > > > > > > > > > repeatedly called him "naive." > > > > > > > > > > > But, in the final analysis, a day after Washington Mutual > > > > > > > > > > went down in > > > > > > > > > > flames, I doubt that it'll be enough to get McCain out of > > > > > > > > > > the hole in > > > > > > > > > > which he finds himself. > > > > > > > > > > > Don Hazen: > > > > > > > > > > > If you were an Obama champion and wanted McCain to fall > > > > > > > > > > flat, you were > > > > > > > > > > disappointed. McCain is a tough, pugnacious debater, and he > > > > > > > > > > tried to > > > > > > > > > > control the talk time, going on and on. He's knowledgeable, > > > > > > > > > > and as we > > > > > > > > > > know, he whipped all of the Republicans during the > > > > > > > > > > primaries. But the > > > > > > > > > > big picture is that McCain probably had to do better since > > > > > > > > > > he is > > > > > > > > > > behind on the momentum and had to beat Obama with his > > > > > > > > > > supposed > > > > > > > > > > strength -- foreign affairs -- and there is a consensus > > > > > > > > > > among the > > > > > > > > > > commentators that he didn't do that. > > > > > > > > > > > If you reflect more on the meta or emotional level, McCain > > > > > > > > > > spent most > > > > > > > > > > of his time talking about the past and focused on Iraq -- > > > > > > > > > > making sure > > > > > > > > > > everyone knew that we had to win. That was the most > > > > > > > > > > important point he > > > > > > > > > > needed to make. But if this election is about change, then > > > > > > > > > > McCain > > > > > > > > > > reinforced his role as part of the problem. 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